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		<title>By: oncethere</title>
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		<dc:creator>oncethere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 04:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He is criminally responsible for the demise of the company and the ensuing effects upon many peoples lives.&lt;br&gt;Frank Dunn was an accomplice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is criminally responsible for the demise of the company and the ensuing effects upon many peoples lives.<br />Frank Dunn was an accomplice.</p>
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		<title>By: oncethere</title>
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		<dc:creator>oncethere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 00:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He is criminally responsible for the demise of the company and the ensuing effects upon many peoples lives.&lt;br&gt;Frank Dunn was an accomplice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is criminally responsible for the demise of the company and the ensuing effects upon many peoples lives.<br />Frank Dunn was an accomplice.</p>
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		<title>By: dual sim mobile phones</title>
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		<dc:creator>dual sim mobile phones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice post</description>
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		<title>By: disc64</title>
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		<dc:creator>disc64</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During a bubble, everybody looks like a genius.  Nortel/Roth happened to be better than most at getting financing/debt to be a &quot;playah&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then he stayed long enough to enjoy the party and exited when the going was good.  Brilliant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During a bubble, everybody looks like a genius.  Nortel/Roth happened to be better than most at getting financing/debt to be a &#8220;playah&#8221;.</p>
<p>Then he stayed long enough to enjoy the party and exited when the going was good.  Brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: zeroman</title>
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		<dc:creator>zeroman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roth made some nice moves. Buying Bay #2 to Cisco would have taken the company into a new direction. famous right angle turn saying. Nortel could have done a lot but management just did not get the Bay story. They did not understand what the products were, the competition. so the bureaucrats killed that business.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;nobody ever in the life of Nortel could integrate acquisitions well. they should have hired some cisco people to retain the talent for which they paid the big bucks. there were acquisitions that just did not make sense like Clarfiy. extended Nortel too much too quickly.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;the boom resulted in a lot of useless people getting promoted who knew squat about the industry, the technology or the competition. Roth could not control all this. I think he had good vision but bad execution killed the company.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Another example is he did away with gating processes and banding for employees. This should have made the company more agile allowing people to move around the company faster. Instead the way it was done, it had the exact opposite making the company slow and locking up talent (their way of retention) because management did things the same way, useless HR never got it and all the cronyism just killed off enthusiasm from passionate people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roth made some nice moves. Buying Bay #2 to Cisco would have taken the company into a new direction. famous right angle turn saying. Nortel could have done a lot but management just did not get the Bay story. They did not understand what the products were, the competition. so the bureaucrats killed that business.</p>
<p>nobody ever in the life of Nortel could integrate acquisitions well. they should have hired some cisco people to retain the talent for which they paid the big bucks. there were acquisitions that just did not make sense like Clarfiy. extended Nortel too much too quickly.</p>
<p>the boom resulted in a lot of useless people getting promoted who knew squat about the industry, the technology or the competition. Roth could not control all this. I think he had good vision but bad execution killed the company.</p>
<p>Another example is he did away with gating processes and banding for employees. This should have made the company more agile allowing people to move around the company faster. Instead the way it was done, it had the exact opposite making the company slow and locking up talent (their way of retention) because management did things the same way, useless HR never got it and all the cronyism just killed off enthusiasm from passionate people.</p>
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		<title>By: less</title>
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		<dc:creator>less</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE54K4GC20090521&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/i...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;May 21, 2009 &lt;br&gt;The co-chief executives of BlackBerry maker Research in Motion Ltd said on Thursday they would donate about C$290 million ($253 million) of RIM shares owned by them to two charitable foundations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Co-CEO Jim Balsillie will make weekly share donations up to C$100 million over 24 months to a charitable foundation he has established.&lt;br&gt;Balsillie will also donate another C$57 million of shares to the Center for International Governance Innovation (CIGI), an Ontario-based think tank.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Co-CEO Mike Lazaridis will donate about C$190 million over 22 months to his charitable foundation.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There exist a handful of former NT employees who could use as little as $1-2k to make it into the new year. Wheres the love?</description>
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<p><i>May 21, 2009 <br />The co-chief executives of BlackBerry maker Research in Motion Ltd said on Thursday they would donate about C$290 million ($253 million) of RIM shares owned by them to two charitable foundations.</p>
<p>Co-CEO Jim Balsillie will make weekly share donations up to C$100 million over 24 months to a charitable foundation he has established.<br />Balsillie will also donate another C$57 million of shares to the Center for International Governance Innovation (CIGI), an Ontario-based think tank.</p>
<p>Co-CEO Mike Lazaridis will donate about C$190 million over 22 months to his charitable foundation.</i></p>
<p>There exist a handful of former NT employees who could use as little as $1-2k to make it into the new year. Wheres the love?</p>
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		<title>By: less</title>
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		<dc:creator>less</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like, uh, by that same measure if you&#039;ve never personally presented to Z, Roese, Lowe and Hackney you don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; them, so.... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;d agree that the market got pretty brutal during Roth&#039;s tenure, although it looked more like a veritable fairyland toward the bottom of its food pyramid for a while.  &lt;br&gt;You opine Roth was more or less kicked out, but a wholly different rumor persists saying Roth was very adamant about retiring and on his own terms, so a needy, greedy NT brass wooed him with hefty cash incentive. Roth said, okay, show me the money, took it and left nonetheless.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kelowna.com/2009/11/08/nortel-networks-series-john-roth-stumbles-nortel-falls/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.kelowna.com/2009/11/08/nortel-networ...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;Roth had been determined to retire when he did. He had done every job asked of him during a 30-year career and he&#039;d had enough. &lt;br&gt;&quot;My retirement date is 2001,&quot; Roth had said. When an astonished Wilson pointed out that would make his term one year shorter than typical, Roth emphasized, &quot;That&#039;s the way it is.&quot;&lt;br&gt;Whatever the reason, Roth&#039;s eagerness to escape the firm should have been a warning sign&lt;br&gt;When Roth learned that Chandran was too ill to take over as CEO, he was furious. The board pressed Roth to stay on as CEO until they could find a successor to Chandran. He did so, but grudgingly.&lt;br&gt;When the board convinced  Dunn to take the top job, it also persuaded Roth to serve as vice- chairman until Dec. 2002. Roth was rarely seen in the office&lt;br&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;A truly better occassion to flip the ultimate bird at a pack of self-serving jerks and walk away rich doesn&#039;t come along that often, but look at the fallout.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;NT brass got just smart enough to not beg Mike Z to stay, so he has to sue NT for $12mio. Still, NTs money is being placed in the most deserving hands according to NT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like, uh, by that same measure if you&#39;ve never personally presented to Z, Roese, Lowe and Hackney you don&#39;t <i>know</i> them, so&#8230;. </p>
<p>I&#39;d agree that the market got pretty brutal during Roth&#39;s tenure, although it looked more like a veritable fairyland toward the bottom of its food pyramid for a while.  <br />You opine Roth was more or less kicked out, but a wholly different rumor persists saying Roth was very adamant about retiring and on his own terms, so a needy, greedy NT brass wooed him with hefty cash incentive. Roth said, okay, show me the money, took it and left nonetheless.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kelowna.com/2009/11/08/nortel-networks-series-john-roth-stumbles-nortel-falls/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kelowna.com/2009/11/08/nortel-networ&#8230;</a></p>
<p><i>Roth had been determined to retire when he did. He had done every job asked of him during a 30-year career and he&#39;d had enough. <br />&#8220;My retirement date is 2001,&#8221; Roth had said. When an astonished Wilson pointed out that would make his term one year shorter than typical, Roth emphasized, &#8220;That&#39;s the way it is.&#8221;<br />Whatever the reason, Roth&#39;s eagerness to escape the firm should have been a warning sign<br />When Roth learned that Chandran was too ill to take over as CEO, he was furious. The board pressed Roth to stay on as CEO until they could find a successor to Chandran. He did so, but grudgingly.<br />When the board convinced  Dunn to take the top job, it also persuaded Roth to serve as vice- chairman until Dec. 2002. Roth was rarely seen in the office<br /></i></p>
<p>A truly better occassion to flip the ultimate bird at a pack of self-serving jerks and walk away rich doesn&#39;t come along that often, but look at the fallout.</p>
<p>NT brass got just smart enough to not beg Mike Z to stay, so he has to sue NT for $12mio. Still, NTs money is being placed in the most deserving hands according to NT</p>
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		<title>By: Another_Nortel_Watcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another_Nortel_Watcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You only say that because you don&#039;t know him.  I met Roth and presented to him and I can tell you that he knew his market a hell of a lot better than John Chambers knew his (presented to him too).  John Roth took risks and placed big bets because he had to.  He led Nortel in era of eat or be eaten.  If you weren&#039;t making acquisitions (good or bad), the fools at Verizon and AT&amp;T wouldn&#039;t view you as a serious player.  Table stakes to be in the game were high.  John Roth would never have hired Joel Hackney, John Roese, or the other losers that MZ brought in.  John Roth would never have allowed a jobsworth like Richard Lowe to lead Nortel&#039;s Carrier business.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;John Roth had to leave because he was at the helm when the telecom market - and Nortel&#039;s top line - cratered.  Had he been able to stay on, I have no doubt that Nortel would have turned around quickly. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll draw a lot of flak for this post but I&#039;m only interested in hearing opinions from others who had direct dealings with Roth.  The rest of you are just winers and gossipers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You only say that because you don&#39;t know him.  I met Roth and presented to him and I can tell you that he knew his market a hell of a lot better than John Chambers knew his (presented to him too).  John Roth took risks and placed big bets because he had to.  He led Nortel in era of eat or be eaten.  If you weren&#39;t making acquisitions (good or bad), the fools at Verizon and AT&#038;T wouldn&#39;t view you as a serious player.  Table stakes to be in the game were high.  John Roth would never have hired Joel Hackney, John Roese, or the other losers that MZ brought in.  John Roth would never have allowed a jobsworth like Richard Lowe to lead Nortel&#39;s Carrier business.  </p>
<p>John Roth had to leave because he was at the helm when the telecom market &#8211; and Nortel&#39;s top line &#8211; cratered.  Had he been able to stay on, I have no doubt that Nortel would have turned around quickly. </p>
<p>I&#39;m sure I&#39;ll draw a lot of flak for this post but I&#39;m only interested in hearing opinions from others who had direct dealings with Roth.  The rest of you are just winers and gossipers.</p>
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		<title>By: ex_men</title>
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		<dc:creator>ex_men</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t call those players &quot;Tier 3&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#39;t call those players &#8220;Tier 3&#8243;</p>
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		<title>By: less</title>
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		<dc:creator>less</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha - yeah, in reality Roth admonished Canadian firm Nortel &quot;get off its duff&quot; and join the present while threatening staid Canada give him a (tax) break lest he take Nortel elsewhere, namely the US. &quot;We were a slow company and we had to work very hard to become a fast one&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What did he do and how was it perceived?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;While Cisco and Lucent pluck away at purchasing smaller voice and data vendors for less than a half billion dollars, Nortel made the big, bold move by acquiring Bay for $9 billion. That&#039;s the way John Roth does things.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Piddly Cisco.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;12.13.00  SILICON VALLEY - John Roth doesn&#039;t look like an Internet entrepreneur. At 57, he&#039;s as buttoned-down as a lifetime employee of a telecommunications company--which is what he is. &lt;br&gt;Over the past couple of years, however, Roth has behaved very much like a new age mogul, turning Northern Telecom--a Clark Kent of a company--into Nortel Networks (nyse: NT - news - people), a Superman of the Internet&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Twas, &quot;John Roth, upwardly mogul&quot; so they named Roth a bold visionary; Forbes one of the best CEOs of 2000.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course, a few months later John Roth blamed what he called a &quot;disastrous&quot; U.S. market for the company&#039;s woes. Quick, what else? A collapse in orders: “In my 30 years, I’ve never seen anything like it”. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As early as 2001 there were widespread fears in Canadian business circles that Nortels declining stock valuation would render it easy prey for a foreign takeover.&lt;br&gt;So John retired as promised with his pals showering him with money on the way out, cementing the negative trend for his/their successors and the BoD to exploit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha &#8211; yeah, in reality Roth admonished Canadian firm Nortel &#8220;get off its duff&#8221; and join the present while threatening staid Canada give him a (tax) break lest he take Nortel elsewhere, namely the US. &#8220;We were a slow company and we had to work very hard to become a fast one&#8221; </p>
<p>What did he do and how was it perceived?</p>
<p><i>While Cisco and Lucent pluck away at purchasing smaller voice and data vendors for less than a half billion dollars, Nortel made the big, bold move by acquiring Bay for $9 billion. That&#39;s the way John Roth does things.</i></p>
<p>Piddly Cisco.</p>
<p><i>12.13.00  SILICON VALLEY &#8211; John Roth doesn&#39;t look like an Internet entrepreneur. At 57, he&#39;s as buttoned-down as a lifetime employee of a telecommunications company&#8211;which is what he is. <br />Over the past couple of years, however, Roth has behaved very much like a new age mogul, turning Northern Telecom&#8211;a Clark Kent of a company&#8211;into Nortel Networks (nyse: NT &#8211; news &#8211; people), a Superman of the Internet</i></p>
<p>Twas, &#8220;John Roth, upwardly mogul&#8221; so they named Roth a bold visionary; Forbes one of the best CEOs of 2000.</p>
<p>Of course, a few months later John Roth blamed what he called a &#8220;disastrous&#8221; U.S. market for the company&#39;s woes. Quick, what else? A collapse in orders: “In my 30 years, I’ve never seen anything like it”. </p>
<p>As early as 2001 there were widespread fears in Canadian business circles that Nortels declining stock valuation would render it easy prey for a foreign takeover.<br />So John retired as promised with his pals showering him with money on the way out, cementing the negative trend for his/their successors and the BoD to exploit.</p>
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