Nortel Has a Pulse But….

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David Burton has an interesting blog post about how he believes Nortel shouldn’t be written off just yet.

Before anyone gets too excited about Burton’s thesis, he’s focused on the technical side of the house, including projects such as web.alive.

The problem with Nortel has more to do with senior management and strategic vision, and how they align with how company’s develops, markets and sells technology.

You can have the world’s best and most innovative developers but without a clear roadmap that takes into account where technology is going and the competitive landscape, it doesn’t matter much.

I’m not suggesting Nortel’s technology portfolio is bullet-proof, but that even cool technology such as web.alive can’t thrive without the right management team running the show.

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  • chuckthecanuck

    I like the slogan “Nortel, we put the NO in InNOvation!

  • AnotherSlave

    With some focused management, I would believe in a heartbeat Nortel could survive and even grow. The problem is the current management and their total focus on profit and loss vs. staying in business. I have never seen a company fail that had satisfied customers and Nortel has done more in the past three years to drive off customers than one could believe. Even now management is trying to back fill skilled positions with unskilled people. It's a management thing, not the troops.

  • upset_with_NT

    no direction ? This is something that is obvious to employees , customers, analysts , and everyone else associated with or paying attention to NT.
    yet instead we pay incentive bonuses (with money we don't have) to keep those same execs and managers that are steering this ship into the ground , all to prevent them from leaving – we should PAY THEM TO LEAVE, NOT STAY!

    whats wrong with this picture ?

  • Moose_Chaser

    <yawn>

    More filler….Ho-Hum….

    MC

  • chuckthecanuck

    Face it release X.0 of anything is nothing more than an upgrade to satisfy legacy stalled base customers. Face it even the peons doing the inNOvation are chart monkeys sharing endlessly with each other, spending 99% of their time talking about doing. The guys working on Web.Alive finally got it right and for a brief period had upper management support in the previous CTO.

  • gone2moro

    I dunno. This just doesn't seem to be a techical problem.

    How does NT get past the fact that they only earn about $300k per employee vs. the likes of Cisco, $660k / employee, Juniper, $515k / employee.

    Is NT getting MORE done per employee now that they have purged… and what of looming additional layoffs, is work getting easier on the inside guys, now that you don't have so many people to stumble over to get your jobs done?… doubt it.

    Innovation goes beyond silicon. It's also in how you operate your business.

    Lots of good companies with good people and good technical innovation have collapsed after they ran out of money. Nortel has simply run out of money. Even after they shirk their responsibilties to their secured creditors and settle for pennies on the dollar, they'll still have some HUGE pension issues that given today's economy they can't barter or gamble their way out of.

    It's that latter point, if NT emerges in some smaller form, they'll still have pensions to deal with, like the 42,000 poor stiffs in the UK. If they dissolve the pension becomes the respecitive govenment's problems. But as indicated previously that isn't necessarily good for the pensioneer… see Canadian Pension Insurance Issues.

    How will NT get past ALL of the Debt issues if they emerge?

  • protosphere

    How much will this earn, is he willing to average down? Koolaid.
    So junior to entertain cartoons in my view.

    I've traditionally belly ached about their lack of consumer products. They lacked direction in may ways aside from inexperience. They should have focused on development more than maintenance which plagued them from numbers to cuts and still couldn't get it right.

    Manufacturing consumer products is something they were historically renown for before evolving to this too much to too many in telecom only.

    Directionless, and no longer leading but following everywhere in able to maintain their money losing revenue stream only worsened to losing even more faster before folding. The mammoth was unable to deploy fast enough let alone change, they were a sitting duck not so much lacking miracles than brave ideas.

    Their inability to change with the times and Murphy's Law in foresight slaughtered them into oblivion, bankrupt, delisted, and in court fighting severances trying to stall to sell assets, a write off.

    Their silly Mickey Mouse avatars won't save them in the virtual reality they live while following their ultra conservative secular faith that has blinded them. It was like trying to have your dentist fix your car or mechanic fix your teeth, or doctor defend you in court while your lawyer tries to perform surgery. Keystone clowns is fitting.

    They were so out to lunch with a one size fits all and didn't even know it let alone what was coming.

    It was like maintaining a broken vehicle when a new on would have been more efficient and cheaper clinging to the conservocat methodological blueprints I parallel to our more stable banks at the expense of growth. I may be wrong but greater risk was in order earlier. In retrospect they couldn't have lost what they didn't have. I guess it is too late and they are beyond written off as a matter of financial physics they can not defy today.

    Had they sold off pieces of Nortel years ago to focus on developing consumer products (look at Cisco) , perhaps they might have risen from the ashed to facilitate reemerging Canadian innovation. Our greatest engineers could easily meet or surpass feats to the likes of the Avro Arrow in my opinion and the quality we were once renown for kept right here…. somehow… outside of telecom. Heck, they built fire hydrants at one time and the early Northern telcom handsets ruled before the cheap plastic junk hit the fan… who ran this show?

    No pride / no vision, cheaper isn't always better, and diversifying outside telecom than so much within is what I would have done different before it became this total write off today.

    I hope the good engineers move on to develop an optical crystal to replace the spinning disk mass storage drives or get into satellites technology or something to lead yet again. I dunno but Nortel sure screwed everyone but everyone over many times with an evil grin. And it is beyond written off to overkill… forget the Mickey Mouse avatars and juvenile virtual realities, they may as well develop games for greater profit.

  • Another_Nortel_Watcher

    Good one, and sadly too true.

  • NortelSouth

    they spun off Netgear to be “more focused” several years ago, as well as Entrust (true innovation). They get rid off everything related to consumer (GSM phones , consumer fix phones, etc.) because you need to be quick, efficient and design oriented…attributes Nortel does not have since decades….

  • broadbandbill

    Mr. Burton does not quite understand what happens when you give a Ferrari to a donkey rider…–bb

  • bankrupt_bob

    thanks for the chuckle!

  • NortelTragedy

    I do not understand how Mike Zudas and the BoD are allowed to continue in their positions and why creditors have not called for their resignations for their incompetence, arrogance and greed. What a group of monkeys.

  • rfc1149

    20 million downloads on Youtube?
    An amusing Top Gear segment?

    BBB – I presume your book is intended to be a 'straight', serious business book. Another book that could be written would be more of a HitchHiker's Guide to the Galaxy absurdist farce – The Nortel Guide to Management – a Tale of Greed, Incompetence, Stupidity and a Surreal Avoidance of Reality.

    I almost wish I could write:)

  • sick_sigma

    The author of this article has no business sense.

    Designing technology is one thing. Understanding how to make money is another. Nortel has been mediocre at the former and horrifyingly bad at the latter.

  • Another_Nortel_Watcher

    I share your consternation.

  • exnt2

    if web.alive is free I might think about using it. as it is people hide behind email, social sites – is this really needed to push people further into isolation?

  • exnt2

    I see a book coming out soon as a sequel to Good to Greatness.

    Greatness to Failure by Mike 'Zeroman' Zafirovski

  • rfc1149

    That is the GE way.

    Ignore what is special about a company, ignore what good, ignore the problems. But take every penny that is 'owed' you.

    Nortel has strengths but had some serious problems. MikeZ still does not have the faintest understanding of what they are. And he doesn't care.

    What Nardelli did to Home Depot was perhaps worse – He took a company that was special and drove it to mediocrity (and pocketed 100s of millions (!) in the process). Again he did not care what was special, he simply GEed it.

    And Nardelli was a top tier GEer, runner up to replace Welch. MikeZ is a d-lister.

  • rfc1149

    So he'd be a perfect Nortel executive.

    All you need for a 'successful' product is a customer (preferably with a big name (e.g. Dell)) with penalty clauses too expensive to cancel.

  • broadbandbill

    rfc1149,

    I like your wording. ge (gi, verb ) example: to 'ge' something is to gut it of its actual value; to decrease shareholder equity; to eliminate any intrinsic value for the sole and exclusive benefit of its management; to Zero it! Comments…–bb

  • broadbandbill

    rfc1149,

    1. It would be serious, and
    2. Yes, you can!
    …bb

  • JlouisMeneghetti

    “Nortel has been mediocre at the former and horrifyingly bad at the latter”…

    This looks exaggerated: although our products are not perfect, some of them won the praises from our competitors (I know it was 10 years ago, but so was the GSM BTS S8000, and I suspect there are other such success in the portfolio; Passport might be one of them). We could also remember our doomed R&D efforts of the LTE, which leads to convincing trials aborted because of the poor condition of the Company.

  • Ex_NT_183

    I find it amusing that people are slamming the authors assertions, questioning his lack of business sense……ahem…did anyone actually read what he said:

    “The problem with Nortel has more to do with senior management and strategic vision, and their they align with how company’s develops, markets and sells technology.

    You can have the world’s best and innovative developers but without a clear roadmap that takes into account where technology is going and the competitive landscape, it doesn’t matter much.”

    I'd say he is bang on…it has never been the technology per se…it is a function of lousy management…nuf said.

  • OzNortel

    Nortel is full of yes men & sycophants thats why it has failed. People at all levels do what they need to stay under the radar , please their managers and survive the head count cull.

    Teams have broken down with individuals stepping over anyone and everyone in order to survive

    People no longer care, If something is broken they just shrug their shoulders and pass the buck.

    A company so demoralised and weakend from within cannot survive. The leader s have pushed Nortel into an abyss from which it cannot come up from.

    The sooner this company seizes to exist , the better for everyone. Life will go on , people wil find better jobs in better companies and the names Zafirovski and Hackey will fade into nothingness.

  • less

    Competition is good. It begets evolution. Evolution is good. It begets more bandwidth.
    Nortel's “peerless in green” ad crap says customers are saving money the Nortel Way. Bummer how saving a buck or two isn't helping Nortel's business, and the customers' can't seem to buy any software patch allowing them to increase their bandwidth.

  • Nortel watcher

    Better jobs? Not in this economy especially when you consider the fact Nortel pays above industry-average compensation.

    Those layed off and about to be have a grim situation to resolve.

  • NextOnTheList

    The works council in France will meet next Monday. The ball is rolling…

    P.S. No connection with the original topic, sorry

  • Le_Dude

    They spun off Netgear because the margins are very small. You can't afford to sell Netgear products to Enterprise customers, because you can't afford to support them. One support call and profit goes to 0%.

    Netgear margins are sub 10%, the company consists of 1/2 dozen or so business guys who cut ODM deals with the cheapest supplier of the day in the far east.

    Ever called Netgear for support? If it's a complex issue, forget it. Support isn't happening?

    Cisco keeps Linksys at arms length for the same reason.

  • NortelSouth

    The point is not selling Netgear to enterprises, it selling to consumers, create brand recognition and those consumers will bring your brand to the enterprise and smb markets. But in consumer markets you need to be fast, very efficient and cool (Nortel does not have any of them). Cisco is doing that with Linksys and there are many examples in technology sector (Even Apple is making a comeback to enterprise with Macs and Iphones)

  • NTblinker

    What did you mean by saying work council? Is it related with NT?

  • broadbandbill

    Agreed! The worst thing that could happen to Nortel (or anyone) is a slow, agonizing death. The quicker, the better; after the initial shock people move on with renewed enthusiasm as opposed to surviving on false hopes…–bb

  • broadbandbill

    NT,

    Actually that makes sense; the devil you know is always better than the one you don’t. Besides, the creditors know these guys will protect their (creditors’) interests or they (management) will not collect anything. ‘The enemy is my friend if we can mutually benefit’- an old Arab proverb, I’m sure…–bb

  • Casual_Observer

    great point. I think 'grim' is the perfect word to describe what's going on in the labor market (at least in North America). Another brutal employment report here in the US today.

  • missing

    For those interested in trying out web.alive you can visit the Lenovo eLounge yourself at http://www.lenovo.com/elounge

  • whatnext4nt

    I agree. Nortel has developed and sold some excellent Wireless products that have been recognized by customers and competitors. Many of these products have made lots of money for Nortel and provided valuable features and/or OPEX reduction for customers. As a stand alone business, Nortel Wireless would never have become anywhere near insolvent and would have easily weathered this current storm. Nortel has received high marks for their technical solution and commercial proposal from several tier 1 operators planning to deploy LTE and would have been very well positioned in LTE with the planned partnerships. Now certain other wireless infrastructure vendors have a chance of lifetime to acquire NT CDMA + LTE + ? and make a huge leap forward in their competitive position. As the Z Man said in a very rare intelligible and wise statement at a fairly recent GIS: “When the going gets tough, the tough gain market share”. And the weak lose market share or get crushed (e.g. NT).

  • rfc1149

    :) Agree.

    As well (this is really expanding on the intrinsic value)..

    In large-ish, established companies there is an important dynamic. The 'minions' who do the essential work want to 'believe'. They want to think that their work is important, that they are doing something 'good'.

    GE-ism destroys this.

    In Home Depot, they talked about people 'bleeding orange' (Home Depot's color). The believers allowed Home Depot to be phenomenally successful for a long time. Under Nardelli, these believers were fired, demoted, demoralized and forced out. They made the company, then were screwed over (destroying what made the company great in the process).

    Not that I believe there is imminent threat of a revolution but there needs to be a social contract between the 'leaders' and the people who simply want to do an honest day's work for a company they believe in.

    Management has a responsibility to these people. To make the right decision to allow the business to prosper. And they will be very well paid to do so.

    In Nortel's case, when MikeZ took over layoffs were necessary. Too many bad decisions (mostly by not deciding) had made the company too sick and too unfocused. But these could have been done with dignity, respect and most importantly within a strategy that could actually have saved the company. Cutting 15% of most every project was simply vindictive and further reduced Nortel's competitiveness. Lose-lose both the people and the company were hurt.

    (Disclosure – I am a reformed 'believer'. My believe though died early in the bust long before the current 'leaders'.)

  • broadbandbill

    GE-ism is based on and run by Human Doings that eliminate anything associated with Human Beings; robots doing the work of humans — no better example than Z pretending to have ever been a caring person/manager…—bb

  • whatnext4nt

    The probability of any viable business emerging from CCAA/Ch 11 is getting small. Consider the following obstacles:
    • Incompetent BoD & CEO
    • Convoluted and complex corporate structure
    • DIP loans won’t be forthcoming
    • Enraged employee base with zero or minimal incentive to stay
    • CCAA moving at a snail’s pace
    • Worst economic down-turn in decades and additional sales losses due to Ch 11 status
    • Filing in 3 jurisdictions with distinctly different bankruptcy laws (Canada, US & UK)
    • Apparently unprecedented approach of filing in Europe only in the UK to get creditor protection in all other UE entities with vastly different labor and insolvency laws
    • Fractured creditors groups including the main group, informal group of note holders, and multiple competing law firms jockeying to represent recently severed employees, pensioners, unionized employees, ex-executives.
    • Several entities not yet filing but might
    • Complex and important JV’s
    • Business assets diminishing day over day with huge liabilities
    • Massive legal fees
    • Tarnished brand name
    • Talented employees jumping to competitors
    • Severely damaged and struggling supply chain

  • Anonymous

    Well, if one bagged his money during the time one was raking it in at NT, then chillin’ for a while waiting for the economy to warm shouldn’t be a big deal.

    However, if one spent like there was no tomorrow well, then, one should expect a grim situation today…no?

    Don’t get me wrong. I hate Z just as much as the next guy, but that is no excuse for not being prepared.

    See you on the beach :P

  • Le_Dude

    I don't disagree with anything your saying. In my personal opinion, Nortel needed to create something like an iPod to save their bacon for a couple of years now.

    The issue is when you have products like Netgear in the broader portfolio is the “enterprise” sales and customers end up using them because of their price point. Most of Nortels sales reps can't spell data, therefore they can't make the distinction between a consumer Ethernet switch and an Enterprise Ethernet switch. They see x ports of 100BaseT – that is what the customer wants – sell it.

    Remember – Cisco bought Linksys. Bay Networks created Netgear.

    Netgear wasn't meeting minimum margin requirements for Nortel. It all comes back to the executive leadership at Nortel. In this case you can't blame Z and company, Netgear was spun out prior to Z.

  • NortelSouth

    Not blaming Z here for this matter…

    Agree with you in everything else.

  • less

    Burton says he has worked directly with some of the Nortel’s developers, and writes, “… they believe in this company and the products they are producing. These guys aren’t just drinking the koolaid, they’re serving it

    Thats got Future spilled<.i> all over it.

  • less

    Speaking of vomitose pulsating:

    http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=91877

    Nortel Provides Technology for Hospital of Tomorrow – Today

    HOW NORTEL TRANSFORMS TODAY’S HOSPITALS INTO THE HYPERCONNECTED HOSPITAL OF TOMORROW

    * Nortel’s Patient Discharge Solution improves the patient discharge process
    * Nortel’s Asset Tracking and Management helps control costs and enhance safety and productivity
    * Nortel’s Collaborative Clinical Solution allows secure sharing of patient data using multimedia
    * Nortel’s Clinical Alarms and Alerts provide nurse call and emergency notifications wirelessly
    * Nortel’s IP Mobility Fast Start Solution allows small and medium-sized healthcare staffs to enjoy many of the same benefits provided to Nortel’s larger healthcare customers
    * Nortel’s Secure Portable Office makes secure workforce mobility a reality

    QUOTES

    Joel Hackney, president, Enterprise Solutions, Nortel

    “These unified communications solutions offer just as much to hospital staff as operating rooms and surgical instruments. They allow healthcare teams to make quick, accurate diagnoses by giving all appropriate staff access to the same data in a real-time, secure environment. This more efficient approach helps the healthcare staff and the patient by reducing the amount of time most patients actually spend in the hospital”

    Vomit with a pulse.

  • less

    The only miracle Acne can administer to his employees is:

    * Nortel Discharge Solution

    Where is Nortel’s Asset Tracking and Management controling costs and nhance safety and productivity in the labs?

    Why didn't Nortel’s Clinical Alarms and Alerts trip when as emergency notifications mounted “wirelessly”?

    Funny how Nortel’s IP Mobility Fast Start Solution won't allow small and medium-sized staff to enjoy many of the same benefits provided to Nortel’s larger healthcare customers – e.g. the BoD.

    Nortel’s Secure Portable Office makes secure workforce mobility a reality

    “Security, export this ex-employee from his office to the door and secure it”

  • NortelEmp

    You know what saves lives and money, and cost next to nothing to implement? Not Nortel solutions but a surgical checklist:

    http://www.who.int/patientsafety/safesurgery/ss…

  • rfc1149

    Many things save lives in hospitals. Nortel is not pretending to replace antiseptic, that would be silly.

    And Nortel is NOT doing everything badly. Nortel increasingly 'gets' the hospital market and is increasingly adding value. And consequently has (at least pre-bankruptcy) rapidly growing sales.

    Hospitals are the sort of market that is natural for Nortel. They have lots of money, are paranoid about systems working and have complex and obscure (and often standardized) procedures making the market difficult for kids in the garage to compete against (a lot like 'old school' telecom).

    There is a lot wrong with Nortel but this is legit.

  • NortelEmp

    I don't disagree with you. I think Nortel has done some very interesting things in hospitals. I just think it's important to put it into context. I'm not so sure I agree that these “unified communications solutions offer just as much to hospital staff as operating rooms and surgical instruments”. That quote is a bit extreme.

  • rfc1149

    People do try to focus on the positive.

    And while there is a lot wrong with Nortel – incompetent executive 'leadership', 'business' 'leaders' with no understanding of the business or market, dysfunctional middle management, … – Nortel does have some decent products.

    Of course they are not perfect (but what products are?) and most would benefit from business leader that could tell the market from a hole in the ground but they have points that a reasonable person could be proud of. Often these are the flip-side to their flaws. E.g.
    A lot of Nortel products are long in the tooth – flip side, they are feature rich often having features that new products wouldn't even imagine implementing and they have healthy installed bases (i.e. lots of people use the products – foibles and all).

    On the large scale, yeah its hard to be proud of Nortel. On the small scale, in one's day to day functioning on the product that one has worked on for the last 10 years, it isn't.

    And when working with external folks (like Mr Burton) guess what, one will focus on the positive.

  • ibeleiveinnortel

    THE PLAN IS COMING PEOPLE, PLEASE JUST BE PATIENT AND FOCUS ON YOUR JOB. WHEN IT IS REVEALED IN ITS MAJESTIC BEAUTY AND WISDOM, YOU WILL BE ASHAMED THAT YOU EVER DOUBTED THE Z MAN FOR EVEN A SECOND.

  • less

    Burton says he has worked directly with some of the Nortel’s developers, and writes, “… they believe in this company and the products they are producing. These guys aren’t just drinking the koolaid, they’re serving it

    Gee, that analogy's got Future spilled all over it.

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