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		<title>By: whatnext4nt</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2009/04/22/no-relief-for-ontario-pensioners/comment-page-1/#comment-31134</link>
		<dc:creator>whatnext4nt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After Dalton gets done explaining this action maybe he can also explain why Ontario Employment Standards Act has FALSE STATEMENTS, and an Ontario Superior Court Judge does not even explain to the public why we have FALSE STATEMENTS in our Ontario laws. Ya, ya, I know that CCAA is a federal act and supersedes any PROVINCIAL legislation, blah, blah, blah … That is not an answer to these fundamental questions (applicable in other provinves as well):&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;WHY DO WE HAVE FALSE STATEMENTS IN OUR PROVINCIAL LAWS?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;WHAT OTHER “LAWS” DO WE HAVE IN ONTARIO THAT ARE LIES?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;HOW CAN SUCH A FUNDAMENTAL LEGAL ISSUE BE COMPLETELY IGNORED IN THESE PROCEEDINGS?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;WHAT ARE THE PROVINCIAL AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;NO ONE, AND I MEAN NO ONE, NOT NORTEL EXECUTIVES NOR HR, NOT A JUDGE, NOT THE GOVERNMENT OF ONTARIO, NOT THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA, NOR ANY SINGLE LAWYER OF THE HUNDREDS ON THE NORTEL CASE FOR ALL PARTIES, NO ONE ON THIS BLOG, NOTHING IN THE MONITOR&#039;S REPORT, NO STATEMENTS FROM THE COURTS, NO NEWSPAPER OR MAGAZINE, NO WEBSITE THAT I CAN FIND, NO COLLEAGUE OR FRIEND, NO ONE, HAS ANSWERED THIS FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;HERE IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE ONTARIO WEB SITE:&lt;br&gt;An employee is not entitled to severance pay if he or she:&lt;br&gt;•	has refused an offer of &quot;reasonable alternative employment&quot; with the employer; &lt;br&gt;•	has refused &quot;reasonable alternative employment&quot; that is available to the employee through a seniority system;&lt;br&gt;•	is severed and retires on a full pension (not including Canada Pension Plan benefits);&lt;br&gt;•	has his or her employment severed because of a strike, as long as the employer can show that the economic effects of the strike caused the closing of part or all of the business;&lt;br&gt;•	is employed in construction, including employees who are working off-site and who are commonly associated in work or collective bargaining with employees who work at the construction site;&lt;br&gt;•	is employed in the on-site maintenance of buildings, structures, roads, sewers, pipelines, mains, tunnels or other works;&lt;br&gt;•	is free to choose whether or not to work when the employer offers him or her work, and the employee is able to refuse work when it is offered, without penalty;&lt;br&gt;•	is guilty of wilful misconduct, disobedience or wilful neglect of duty that is not trivial and was not condoned by the employer; or&lt;br&gt;•	has lost his or her employment because the contract of employment is impossible to perform or has been frustrated by an unexpected or unforeseen event or circumstance. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE BANKRUPTCY OR INSOLVENCY or when the contract is frustrated or impossible to perform as the result of an injury or illness suffered by an employee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After Dalton gets done explaining this action maybe he can also explain why Ontario Employment Standards Act has FALSE STATEMENTS, and an Ontario Superior Court Judge does not even explain to the public why we have FALSE STATEMENTS in our Ontario laws. Ya, ya, I know that CCAA is a federal act and supersedes any PROVINCIAL legislation, blah, blah, blah … That is not an answer to these fundamental questions (applicable in other provinves as well):</p>
<p>WHY DO WE HAVE FALSE STATEMENTS IN OUR PROVINCIAL LAWS?</p>
<p>WHAT OTHER “LAWS” DO WE HAVE IN ONTARIO THAT ARE LIES?</p>
<p>HOW CAN SUCH A FUNDAMENTAL LEGAL ISSUE BE COMPLETELY IGNORED IN THESE PROCEEDINGS?</p>
<p>WHAT ARE THE PROVINCIAL AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS?</p>
<p>NO ONE, AND I MEAN NO ONE, NOT NORTEL EXECUTIVES NOR HR, NOT A JUDGE, NOT THE GOVERNMENT OF ONTARIO, NOT THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA, NOR ANY SINGLE LAWYER OF THE HUNDREDS ON THE NORTEL CASE FOR ALL PARTIES, NO ONE ON THIS BLOG, NOTHING IN THE MONITOR&#39;S REPORT, NO STATEMENTS FROM THE COURTS, NO NEWSPAPER OR MAGAZINE, NO WEBSITE THAT I CAN FIND, NO COLLEAGUE OR FRIEND, NO ONE, HAS ANSWERED THIS FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION!</p>
<p>HERE IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE ONTARIO WEB SITE:<br />An employee is not entitled to severance pay if he or she:<br />•	has refused an offer of &#8220;reasonable alternative employment&#8221; with the employer; <br />•	has refused &#8220;reasonable alternative employment&#8221; that is available to the employee through a seniority system;<br />•	is severed and retires on a full pension (not including Canada Pension Plan benefits);<br />•	has his or her employment severed because of a strike, as long as the employer can show that the economic effects of the strike caused the closing of part or all of the business;<br />•	is employed in construction, including employees who are working off-site and who are commonly associated in work or collective bargaining with employees who work at the construction site;<br />•	is employed in the on-site maintenance of buildings, structures, roads, sewers, pipelines, mains, tunnels or other works;<br />•	is free to choose whether or not to work when the employer offers him or her work, and the employee is able to refuse work when it is offered, without penalty;<br />•	is guilty of wilful misconduct, disobedience or wilful neglect of duty that is not trivial and was not condoned by the employer; or<br />•	has lost his or her employment because the contract of employment is impossible to perform or has been frustrated by an unexpected or unforeseen event or circumstance. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE BANKRUPTCY OR INSOLVENCY or when the contract is frustrated or impossible to perform as the result of an injury or illness suffered by an employee.</p>
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		<title>By: whatnext4nt</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2009/04/22/no-relief-for-ontario-pensioners/comment-page-1/#comment-15308</link>
		<dc:creator>whatnext4nt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After Dalton gets done explaining this action maybe he can also explain why Ontario Employment Standards Act has FALSE STATEMENTS, and an Ontario Superior Court Judge does not even explain to the public why we have FALSE STATEMENTS in our Ontario laws. Ya, ya, I know that CCAA is a federal act and supersedes any PROVINCIAL legislation, blah, blah, blah … That is not an answer to these fundamental question:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;WHY DO WE HAVE FALSE STATEMENTS IN OUR PROVINCIAL LAWS?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;WHAT OTHER “LAWS” DO WE HAVE IN ONTARIO THAT ARE LIES?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;HOW CAN SUCH A FUNDAMENTAL LEGAL ISSUE BE COMPLETELY IGNORED IN THESE PROCEEDINGS?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;WHAT ARE THE PROVINCIAL AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;NO ONE, AND I MEAN NO ONE, NOT NORTEL EXECUTIVES NOR HR, NOT A JUDGE, NOT THE GOVERNMENT OF ONTARIO, NOT THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA, NOR ANY SINGLE LAWYER OF THE HUNDREDS ON THE NORTEL CASE FOR ALL PARTIES, NO ONE ON THIS BLOG, NOTHING IN THE MONITOR&#039;S REPORT, NO STATEMENTS FROM THE COURTS, NO NEWSPAPER OR MAGAZINE, NO WEBSITE THAT I CAN FIND, NO COLLEAGUE OR FRIEND, NO ONE, HAS ANSWERED THIS FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;HERE IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE ONTARIO WEB SITE:&lt;br&gt;An employee is not entitled to severance pay if he or she:&lt;br&gt;•	has refused an offer of &quot;reasonable alternative employment&quot; with the employer; &lt;br&gt;•	has refused &quot;reasonable alternative employment&quot; that is available to the employee through a seniority system;&lt;br&gt;•	is severed and retires on a full pension (not including Canada Pension Plan benefits);&lt;br&gt;•	has his or her employment severed because of a strike, as long as the employer can show that the economic effects of the strike caused the closing of part or all of the business;&lt;br&gt;•	is employed in construction, including employees who are working off-site and who are commonly associated in work or collective bargaining with employees who work at the construction site;&lt;br&gt;•	is employed in the on-site maintenance of buildings, structures, roads, sewers, pipelines, mains, tunnels or other works;&lt;br&gt;•	is free to choose whether or not to work when the employer offers him or her work, and the employee is able to refuse work when it is offered, without penalty;&lt;br&gt;•	is guilty of wilful misconduct, disobedience or wilful neglect of duty that is not trivial and was not condoned by the employer; or&lt;br&gt;•	has lost his or her employment because the contract of employment is impossible to perform or has been frustrated by an unexpected or unforeseen event or circumstance. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE BANKRUPTCY OR INSOLVENCY or when the contract is frustrated or impossible to perform as the result of an injury or illness suffered by an employee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After Dalton gets done explaining this action maybe he can also explain why Ontario Employment Standards Act has FALSE STATEMENTS, and an Ontario Superior Court Judge does not even explain to the public why we have FALSE STATEMENTS in our Ontario laws. Ya, ya, I know that CCAA is a federal act and supersedes any PROVINCIAL legislation, blah, blah, blah … That is not an answer to these fundamental question:</p>
<p>WHY DO WE HAVE FALSE STATEMENTS IN OUR PROVINCIAL LAWS?</p>
<p>WHAT OTHER “LAWS” DO WE HAVE IN ONTARIO THAT ARE LIES?</p>
<p>HOW CAN SUCH A FUNDAMENTAL LEGAL ISSUE BE COMPLETELY IGNORED IN THESE PROCEEDINGS?</p>
<p>WHAT ARE THE PROVINCIAL AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS?</p>
<p>NO ONE, AND I MEAN NO ONE, NOT NORTEL EXECUTIVES NOR HR, NOT A JUDGE, NOT THE GOVERNMENT OF ONTARIO, NOT THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA, NOR ANY SINGLE LAWYER OF THE HUNDREDS ON THE NORTEL CASE FOR ALL PARTIES, NO ONE ON THIS BLOG, NOTHING IN THE MONITOR&#39;S REPORT, NO STATEMENTS FROM THE COURTS, NO NEWSPAPER OR MAGAZINE, NO WEBSITE THAT I CAN FIND, NO COLLEAGUE OR FRIEND, NO ONE, HAS ANSWERED THIS FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION!</p>
<p>HERE IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE ONTARIO WEB SITE:<br />An employee is not entitled to severance pay if he or she:<br />•	has refused an offer of &#8220;reasonable alternative employment&#8221; with the employer; <br />•	has refused &#8220;reasonable alternative employment&#8221; that is available to the employee through a seniority system;<br />•	is severed and retires on a full pension (not including Canada Pension Plan benefits);<br />•	has his or her employment severed because of a strike, as long as the employer can show that the economic effects of the strike caused the closing of part or all of the business;<br />•	is employed in construction, including employees who are working off-site and who are commonly associated in work or collective bargaining with employees who work at the construction site;<br />•	is employed in the on-site maintenance of buildings, structures, roads, sewers, pipelines, mains, tunnels or other works;<br />•	is free to choose whether or not to work when the employer offers him or her work, and the employee is able to refuse work when it is offered, without penalty;<br />•	is guilty of wilful misconduct, disobedience or wilful neglect of duty that is not trivial and was not condoned by the employer; or<br />•	has lost his or her employment because the contract of employment is impossible to perform or has been frustrated by an unexpected or unforeseen event or circumstance. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE BANKRUPTCY OR INSOLVENCY or when the contract is frustrated or impossible to perform as the result of an injury or illness suffered by an employee.</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Personal Finance Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Random Thoughts: Spring/Summer Begins</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2009/04/22/no-relief-for-ontario-pensioners/comment-page-1/#comment-15199</link>
		<dc:creator>Canadian Personal Finance Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Random Thoughts: Spring/Summer Begins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] About Nortel quotes the Ottawa Citizen about No Relief for Ontario Pensioners pointing out that the Ontario Pension safety net may not be solvent soon, thanks to the Auto Makers [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rfc1149</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2009/04/22/no-relief-for-ontario-pensioners/comment-page-1/#comment-15192</link>
		<dc:creator>rfc1149</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 01:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nortel was salvageable but it required leadership, understanding and a bit of luck.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is certainly true that Nortel was on a path to oblivion when MikeZ took over. The problem is MikeZ did absolutely nothing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nortel&#039;s business &#039;strategy&#039; of doing everything telecom without regard to whether they could do it well or profitably needed to end. The company needed to focus.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is impossible to know if the Garys&#039; plan would have work but it was the right sort of idea. It was presented to the board and they said no. That was the end of Nortel.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Tactically Nortel&#039;s middle management and &#039;business&#039; &#039;leaders&#039; are a mess, they are generally clueless, are heavily incentified to empire build and wouldn&#039;t know a decision if it bit them in the butt.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Again tough but fixable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nortel could have been a sound business by 2010 (when its next major bonds come do) and sound business will be able to borrow money.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also Cisco is a major competitor - absolutely in enterprise.  And Cisco has substantial carrier &#039;mindshare&#039; both in data and next-gen network evolution (e.g. they are the main driver of SIP) - two areas of increasing significance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nortel was salvageable but it required leadership, understanding and a bit of luck.</p>
<p>It is certainly true that Nortel was on a path to oblivion when MikeZ took over. The problem is MikeZ did absolutely nothing.</p>
<p>Nortel&#39;s business &#39;strategy&#39; of doing everything telecom without regard to whether they could do it well or profitably needed to end. The company needed to focus.</p>
<p>It is impossible to know if the Garys&#39; plan would have work but it was the right sort of idea. It was presented to the board and they said no. That was the end of Nortel.</p>
<p>Tactically Nortel&#39;s middle management and &#39;business&#39; &#39;leaders&#39; are a mess, they are generally clueless, are heavily incentified to empire build and wouldn&#39;t know a decision if it bit them in the butt.</p>
<p>Again tough but fixable.</p>
<p>Nortel could have been a sound business by 2010 (when its next major bonds come do) and sound business will be able to borrow money.</p>
<p>Also Cisco is a major competitor &#8211; absolutely in enterprise.  And Cisco has substantial carrier &#39;mindshare&#39; both in data and next-gen network evolution (e.g. they are the main driver of SIP) &#8211; two areas of increasing significance.</p>
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		<title>By: horace_grimswold</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2009/04/22/no-relief-for-ontario-pensioners/comment-page-1/#comment-15190</link>
		<dc:creator>horace_grimswold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upon passage of the new legislation, I&#039;m guessing the word &quot;Guarantee&quot; will be quietly dropped from the name of the program.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Big &#039;atta-boy to Dalton for all his hard work and dedication to the people of Ontario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upon passage of the new legislation, I&#39;m guessing the word &#8220;Guarantee&#8221; will be quietly dropped from the name of the program.</p>
<p>Big &#39;atta-boy to Dalton for all his hard work and dedication to the people of Ontario.</p>
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		<title>By: PM_Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2009/04/22/no-relief-for-ontario-pensioners/comment-page-1/#comment-15182</link>
		<dc:creator>PM_Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The worst part of this is the gov&#039;t of Ontario is currently writing legislation and hoping to pass it soon so that the Ontario Pension Benefits Guarantee Fund will not be liable if we have a major pension failure and they don&#039;t have the money to cover the loss. IE: Nortel, GM, Etc. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So they are also going to change the law to cover their butts and prevent the hugh law suites to will likely follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The worst part of this is the gov&#39;t of Ontario is currently writing legislation and hoping to pass it soon so that the Ontario Pension Benefits Guarantee Fund will not be liable if we have a major pension failure and they don&#39;t have the money to cover the loss. IE: Nortel, GM, Etc. </p>
<p>So they are also going to change the law to cover their butts and prevent the hugh law suites to will likely follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Casual_Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2009/04/22/no-relief-for-ontario-pensioners/comment-page-1/#comment-15177</link>
		<dc:creator>Casual_Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odd. I guess I knew once the credit bubble popped it was over for Nortel. They were on the edge for all those years and it wouldn&#039;t take much of an event to tip the apple cart for good.  The way Nortel treated cash after 2001 (no lump sum payments) was a huge tipoff that the end was only an economic downturn away. I&#039;m not sure it would have mattered who took over in November 2006. There were simply too many liabilities compared to assets and Nortel had little new technology to grow the top line. Years of program cancellations, missteps etc made it too late by January 2007. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So did you expect Mike to say Nortel wasn&#039;t salvagable ?  The handwriting was already on the wall when he took over given the macro issues that were about to unfold in 2007 and 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odd. I guess I knew once the credit bubble popped it was over for Nortel. They were on the edge for all those years and it wouldn&#39;t take much of an event to tip the apple cart for good.  The way Nortel treated cash after 2001 (no lump sum payments) was a huge tipoff that the end was only an economic downturn away. I&#39;m not sure it would have mattered who took over in November 2006. There were simply too many liabilities compared to assets and Nortel had little new technology to grow the top line. Years of program cancellations, missteps etc made it too late by January 2007. </p>
<p>So did you expect Mike to say Nortel wasn&#39;t salvagable ?  The handwriting was already on the wall when he took over given the macro issues that were about to unfold in 2007 and 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: less</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2009/04/22/no-relief-for-ontario-pensioners/comment-page-1/#comment-15174</link>
		<dc:creator>less</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nortel was salvageable when Mike came aboard. He said so himself. I worked there until late 2007.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;I kept  saying &quot;Nortel can&#039;t keep going this way if  Mike won&#039;t change things&quot;, not:  &quot;Nortel cannot survive the secular bear brought about by ancient greed&quot;  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mike himself said he would fix Nortel, Now its clear what he meant by that.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;To my recollection, Owens etc. made no such promises. Has MIke yet admitted he erred, has he conceded defeat?  Hell. no. He&#039;s milking Nortel&#039;s last weathered teet dry.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lastly, its Nortel - i.e. Mike -  that insists comparing itself fo Cisco; I keep comparing it to Radio Shack (with apologies to Radio Shack). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Honestly, what do you think folks would say if Cisco decided to  throw some money at OLTPC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nortel was salvageable when Mike came aboard. He said so himself. I worked there until late 2007.</p>
<p>I kept  saying &#8220;Nortel can&#39;t keep going this way if  Mike won&#39;t change things&#8221;, not:  &#8220;Nortel cannot survive the secular bear brought about by ancient greed&#8221;  </p>
<p>Mike himself said he would fix Nortel, Now its clear what he meant by that.</p>
<p>To my recollection, Owens etc. made no such promises. Has MIke yet admitted he erred, has he conceded defeat?  Hell. no. He&#39;s milking Nortel&#39;s last weathered teet dry.</p>
<p>Lastly, its Nortel &#8211; i.e. Mike &#8211;  that insists comparing itself fo Cisco; I keep comparing it to Radio Shack (with apologies to Radio Shack). </p>
<p>Honestly, what do you think folks would say if Cisco decided to  throw some money at OLTPC?</p>
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		<title>By: Casual_Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2009/04/22/no-relief-for-ontario-pensioners/comment-page-1/#comment-15171</link>
		<dc:creator>Casual_Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sources are the stock prices and telecom earnings. CSR only works for companies that are already profitable and willing to eat some of their profits for the greater good. Nortel was never in that category. They were too busy trying to recover from the previous bust and too myopic to see that another bubble was helping them survive and that it was only a matter of time before its ultimate demise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sources are the stock prices and telecom earnings. CSR only works for companies that are already profitable and willing to eat some of their profits for the greater good. Nortel was never in that category. They were too busy trying to recover from the previous bust and too myopic to see that another bubble was helping them survive and that it was only a matter of time before its ultimate demise.</p>
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		<title>By: Casual_Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2009/04/22/no-relief-for-ontario-pensioners/comment-page-1/#comment-15168</link>
		<dc:creator>Casual_Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seriously think Nortel was salvageable when Z took over ? I worked there until last year and never did. Bankruptcy was on the table in 2002. The handwriting was on the wall for years its just that no one wanted to read it. Employees and management were busy milking the cow. You can keep blaming Z and his gang til the cows come home but his predecessors deserve more blame. Even he admitted to employees that Nortel was a lot messier once he got inside. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regarding $hit happens, what if Nortel had kept getting more credit had this credit bubble not collapsed? They would still be living on a hand to mouth existence rather than going into Chapter 11 and pretending that all was well. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And quit putting Cisco up as Nortel&#039;s chief competitor. Cisco still gets most of its revenue from the enterprise and NOT telecom/carrier/wireless/optical. Cisco failed in these segments with some acquisitons they made in 2000 and has never seriously threatened anyone in these segments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seriously think Nortel was salvageable when Z took over ? I worked there until last year and never did. Bankruptcy was on the table in 2002. The handwriting was on the wall for years its just that no one wanted to read it. Employees and management were busy milking the cow. You can keep blaming Z and his gang til the cows come home but his predecessors deserve more blame. Even he admitted to employees that Nortel was a lot messier once he got inside. </p>
<p>Regarding $hit happens, what if Nortel had kept getting more credit had this credit bubble not collapsed? They would still be living on a hand to mouth existence rather than going into Chapter 11 and pretending that all was well. </p>
<p>And quit putting Cisco up as Nortel&#39;s chief competitor. Cisco still gets most of its revenue from the enterprise and NOT telecom/carrier/wireless/optical. Cisco failed in these segments with some acquisitons they made in 2000 and has never seriously threatened anyone in these segments.</p>
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