No Relief for Ontario Pensioners

A program in Ontario that pays pensioners as much as $1,000/month may not be available to Nortel employees because it’s “grossly underfunded”.

Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty said yesterday that the Ontario Pension Benefits Guarantee Fund just doesn’t have the financial ability to help ex-Nortel employees whose pensions are being threatened by the company’s bankruptcy filing.

He said the fund is only worth $100-million, which is a drop in the bucket given the demands that could come from struggling companies such as Nortel and General Motors.

For more, check out the Ottawa Citizen.

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  • Casual_Observer

    Odd. I guess I knew once the credit bubble popped it was over for Nortel. They were on the edge for all those years and it wouldn't take much of an event to tip the apple cart for good. The way Nortel treated cash after 2001 (no lump sum payments) was a huge tipoff that the end was only an economic downturn away. I'm not sure it would have mattered who took over in November 2006. There were simply too many liabilities compared to assets and Nortel had little new technology to grow the top line. Years of program cancellations, missteps etc made it too late by January 2007.

    So did you expect Mike to say Nortel wasn't salvagable ? The handwriting was already on the wall when he took over given the macro issues that were about to unfold in 2007 and 2008.

  • PM_Guy

    The worst part of this is the gov't of Ontario is currently writing legislation and hoping to pass it soon so that the Ontario Pension Benefits Guarantee Fund will not be liable if we have a major pension failure and they don't have the money to cover the loss. IE: Nortel, GM, Etc.

    So they are also going to change the law to cover their butts and prevent the hugh law suites to will likely follow.

  • horace_grimswold

    Upon passage of the new legislation, I'm guessing the word “Guarantee” will be quietly dropped from the name of the program.

    Big 'atta-boy to Dalton for all his hard work and dedication to the people of Ontario.

  • rfc1149

    Nortel was salvageable but it required leadership, understanding and a bit of luck.

    It is certainly true that Nortel was on a path to oblivion when MikeZ took over. The problem is MikeZ did absolutely nothing.

    Nortel's business 'strategy' of doing everything telecom without regard to whether they could do it well or profitably needed to end. The company needed to focus.

    It is impossible to know if the Garys' plan would have work but it was the right sort of idea. It was presented to the board and they said no. That was the end of Nortel.

    Tactically Nortel's middle management and 'business' 'leaders' are a mess, they are generally clueless, are heavily incentified to empire build and wouldn't know a decision if it bit them in the butt.

    Again tough but fixable.

    Nortel could have been a sound business by 2010 (when its next major bonds come do) and sound business will be able to borrow money.

    Also Cisco is a major competitor – absolutely in enterprise. And Cisco has substantial carrier 'mindshare' both in data and next-gen network evolution (e.g. they are the main driver of SIP) – two areas of increasing significance.

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  • whatnext4nt

    After Dalton gets done explaining this action maybe he can also explain why Ontario Employment Standards Act has FALSE STATEMENTS, and an Ontario Superior Court Judge does not even explain to the public why we have FALSE STATEMENTS in our Ontario laws. Ya, ya, I know that CCAA is a federal act and supersedes any PROVINCIAL legislation, blah, blah, blah … That is not an answer to these fundamental question:

    WHY DO WE HAVE FALSE STATEMENTS IN OUR PROVINCIAL LAWS?

    WHAT OTHER “LAWS” DO WE HAVE IN ONTARIO THAT ARE LIES?

    HOW CAN SUCH A FUNDAMENTAL LEGAL ISSUE BE COMPLETELY IGNORED IN THESE PROCEEDINGS?

    WHAT ARE THE PROVINCIAL AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS?

    NO ONE, AND I MEAN NO ONE, NOT NORTEL EXECUTIVES NOR HR, NOT A JUDGE, NOT THE GOVERNMENT OF ONTARIO, NOT THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA, NOR ANY SINGLE LAWYER OF THE HUNDREDS ON THE NORTEL CASE FOR ALL PARTIES, NO ONE ON THIS BLOG, NOTHING IN THE MONITOR'S REPORT, NO STATEMENTS FROM THE COURTS, NO NEWSPAPER OR MAGAZINE, NO WEBSITE THAT I CAN FIND, NO COLLEAGUE OR FRIEND, NO ONE, HAS ANSWERED THIS FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION!

    HERE IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE ONTARIO WEB SITE:
    An employee is not entitled to severance pay if he or she:
    • has refused an offer of “reasonable alternative employment” with the employer;
    • has refused “reasonable alternative employment” that is available to the employee through a seniority system;
    • is severed and retires on a full pension (not including Canada Pension Plan benefits);
    • has his or her employment severed because of a strike, as long as the employer can show that the economic effects of the strike caused the closing of part or all of the business;
    • is employed in construction, including employees who are working off-site and who are commonly associated in work or collective bargaining with employees who work at the construction site;
    • is employed in the on-site maintenance of buildings, structures, roads, sewers, pipelines, mains, tunnels or other works;
    • is free to choose whether or not to work when the employer offers him or her work, and the employee is able to refuse work when it is offered, without penalty;
    • is guilty of wilful misconduct, disobedience or wilful neglect of duty that is not trivial and was not condoned by the employer; or
    • has lost his or her employment because the contract of employment is impossible to perform or has been frustrated by an unexpected or unforeseen event or circumstance. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE BANKRUPTCY OR INSOLVENCY or when the contract is frustrated or impossible to perform as the result of an injury or illness suffered by an employee.

  • whatnext4nt

    After Dalton gets done explaining this action maybe he can also explain why Ontario Employment Standards Act has FALSE STATEMENTS, and an Ontario Superior Court Judge does not even explain to the public why we have FALSE STATEMENTS in our Ontario laws. Ya, ya, I know that CCAA is a federal act and supersedes any PROVINCIAL legislation, blah, blah, blah … That is not an answer to these fundamental questions (applicable in other provinves as well):

    WHY DO WE HAVE FALSE STATEMENTS IN OUR PROVINCIAL LAWS?

    WHAT OTHER “LAWS” DO WE HAVE IN ONTARIO THAT ARE LIES?

    HOW CAN SUCH A FUNDAMENTAL LEGAL ISSUE BE COMPLETELY IGNORED IN THESE PROCEEDINGS?

    WHAT ARE THE PROVINCIAL AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS?

    NO ONE, AND I MEAN NO ONE, NOT NORTEL EXECUTIVES NOR HR, NOT A JUDGE, NOT THE GOVERNMENT OF ONTARIO, NOT THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA, NOR ANY SINGLE LAWYER OF THE HUNDREDS ON THE NORTEL CASE FOR ALL PARTIES, NO ONE ON THIS BLOG, NOTHING IN THE MONITOR'S REPORT, NO STATEMENTS FROM THE COURTS, NO NEWSPAPER OR MAGAZINE, NO WEBSITE THAT I CAN FIND, NO COLLEAGUE OR FRIEND, NO ONE, HAS ANSWERED THIS FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION!

    HERE IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE ONTARIO WEB SITE:
    An employee is not entitled to severance pay if he or she:
    • has refused an offer of “reasonable alternative employment” with the employer;
    • has refused “reasonable alternative employment” that is available to the employee through a seniority system;
    • is severed and retires on a full pension (not including Canada Pension Plan benefits);
    • has his or her employment severed because of a strike, as long as the employer can show that the economic effects of the strike caused the closing of part or all of the business;
    • is employed in construction, including employees who are working off-site and who are commonly associated in work or collective bargaining with employees who work at the construction site;
    • is employed in the on-site maintenance of buildings, structures, roads, sewers, pipelines, mains, tunnels or other works;
    • is free to choose whether or not to work when the employer offers him or her work, and the employee is able to refuse work when it is offered, without penalty;
    • is guilty of wilful misconduct, disobedience or wilful neglect of duty that is not trivial and was not condoned by the employer; or
    • has lost his or her employment because the contract of employment is impossible to perform or has been frustrated by an unexpected or unforeseen event or circumstance. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE BANKRUPTCY OR INSOLVENCY or when the contract is frustrated or impossible to perform as the result of an injury or illness suffered by an employee.

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