Guest Post: The New Nortel Post-Restructuring

Here’s a guest post by Duncan Stewart looking at what Nortel could be post-restructuring:

Even before Nortel filed for bankruptcy in January it had put one of its divisions for sale. Therefore yesterday’s Wall Street Journal story that Nortel may sell large parts of its business came as little surprise to most people who follow the fortunes of Canada’s once-largest tech company.

Most corporations going through a restructuring under bankruptcy protection sell some assets in order to raise cash, appease debtors, and become more focused. Most of the time though, the bits that eventually get sold aren’t necessarily what was expected when the selling process began.

My parents have had a lot of garage sales. I suspect they have made almost as much money over the years from selling things that theoretically weren’t for sale as from the items with price tags on them. So too with Nortel: although Metro Ethernet Networks was on the block, someone came in and asked about that dusty old sofa/wireless division sitting in the corner. And a motivated vendor has to ask themselves: if the price is right, why not?

Assuming that the WSJ story is correct – and both the buyers and the divisions named are not improbable – then Nortel is about to sell its wireless CDMA and enterprise voice PBX businesses, which represent more than half of NT’s current revenues. Most of Nortel’s service business is tied to product sales, and the remaining non-tied service business would probably also be sold.

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I think it unlikely, but all divisions of Nortel might be sold, and the proceeds distributed to the various stakeholders. Some value might be left for the common shareholders, but in today’s market that seems unlikely. According to the story there is good interest for the Nortel assets – but hardly a robust bidding war!

In my opinion, it is more likely that the Metro Ethernet Division (which includes all of Nortel’s optical technology) and the Carrier Voice division (including Voice over Internet Protocol or VOIP products) would be kept as the nucleus of a new company. Where NT once had revenues of US$30B the new entity would have about $2B of sales.

But before we get too depressed, there are some bright spots. Nortel actually has some pretty good market share and technology in those two businesses. In fact, with the right management, the right balance sheet and a bit of an economic recovery/rebound in telecom spending the pared-down company would likely be profitable and growing.

It would still be among the four or five biggest tech companies in Canada. In fact, the optical and VOIP businesses do most of their work here, so the NeoNortel (Nortel Mark II…the Son of Nortel?) might actually be even more “Canadian” than the company was prior to bankruptcy.

Question: how do you carve an elephant? Answer: start with a big block of marble, and remove everything that doesn’t look like an elephant.

As the carve-up of the company proceeds, I guess Nortel’s investors, debtholders and employees are hoping that we don’t end up with yet another white elephant.

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  • Nortel watcher

    If post-BK Nortel likely will be made up of MEN and Carrier Networks, my first two concerns is (A) how profitable they are and (B)how do they stack up against competitors like Cisco?

    Would the new NT still have a global footprint as in EMEA, Asia, CALA, etc.?

  • scalpcutter

    That isn't looking likely now after the ciena rumour on here.

  • InTheRoundEye

    At first I was deeply concerned “however” the valuation of assets is an important milestone in CH-11, how can you value Enterprise or Carrier Wireless without asking “what someone would pay for it”? If it was just Siemens, I wouldn't be so skeptical as there is a synergy there, Siemens having a strong foothold in EMEA, but lacking in Asia and NA where Nortel is strong, would make sense. But Avaya? Avaya there is too much overlap, Silverlake has yet to see a profit from Avaya, they have been going through rounds of layoffs themselves.

    I really feel that everyone is reading a little too deep into this one!

    ITRE

  • Another_Nortel_Watcher

    With Doug Wolff's departure, Nortel's CDMA business is walking dead already. Sell it quick! There is nobody left to run it so it's about to go into a deep death spiral.

    And Duncan, the problem with Nortel's VoIP business is that it is the best functional solution right now – which is why it sells – but it is a dead-end. There is nobody left in Nortel who can paint a credible vision of where a Nortel VoIP solution is going to take you and there is no R&D program to evolve it. Just lots of black belts feeding at the trough and pontificating over ways to reduce costs.

  • S_O_S_This_is_HMS_Nortel

    Agreed with ANW..With current post sale model, MEN currently includes Optical Ethernet, CVoIP and MSS data product..all of which are still generating decent revenue…However besides the 40G/100G technology, there isn't a whole lot of potentials for the latter two…

    Actually once (and if) they emerge from CCAA/Chapter 11, perhaps they can buy Ciena to get rid of the weaker competiion…Just a thought.

  • break_on_through

    I disagree with the 2nd point. The Nortel carrier VoIP footprint is significant as is the technology and on-going R&D. You do not get to #1 in Carrier VoIP for 5 years running on hype and black belt B.S. I do agree the Executive have not been talking about it much though, which is a long running mistake. Remember this is carrier VoIP, much harder to pull off than Ent cpe VoIP The requirement is that residential and hosted business VoIP is going to grow. It will according to the analysts (perhaps slowed down for now) but very complimentary to the rollout of DSL FTTH and business fiber access and soon, 4G wireless.

  • NTdown

    Any blackbelt was sacked so far? Why in Asia, they are still so energetic and hyperactive to MAKE some magic rudcing-cost program??!!

    Some partners asked me , where did Nortel recruit these COE rookies? New graduates? They can't even understand my questions! I prefer to google some solutions instead of dialing yr toll-free call, useless.At the same time,many bb are stil singing the songs, LSS help us on the right path!

    COE & BB, 2 tumors in NT. Shame

  • Another_Nortel_Watcher

    The leaders who developed the VoIP product that has been #1 for five years running are long gone. The current owners are caretakers, not visionaries. Eventually, the value of the Nortel VoIP product erodes unless it is renewed, and there is no leadership in place that has a clue what is going on in the market or where to take the Nortel portfolio. “Fix the CSRs” is not an evolution strategy.

  • realinfo

    Keeping MEN does not make any sense. This division never made money since 2000. Cost reduction programs failed despite recyling all Philippe's direct reports to fix it, they all failed as they are not qualified.

    The current MEN leadership is old boys Montreal club who just want to sustain their paystubs and positions. They will never contribute anything to the neo-Nortel.

  • RamblingFish

    I agree that a acquisition of Nortel by Silverlake/TPG (Avaya) would be an absolute kiss of death for the employees and any valuable portfolio remaining in Nortel's enterprise division. Silverlake/TPG are still stinging over shelling out $8.3B for the bad ship Avaya. They've been shipping of product support to India and shutting down sites since (Ottawa offices gone; Lincroft gone, Denver a ghost town, all UK offices slashed, Tenovis sites slashed).

    The Nortel employees in enterprise had better hope for acquisition by the group that bought Siemens Enterprise, or a large public enterprise focused company.

  • RealityStrikes

    ANW, get your facts straight:

    “With Doug Wolff's departure, Nortel's CDMA business in walking dead…”

    Wolff was the VP & GM of LTE when he resigned Nortel. He was not at all associated with CDMA.

  • horace_grimswold

    Well said.

  • bankrupt_bob

    Thanks for the excellent post! I especially liked this part, “…Some value might be left for the common shareholders…,” albeit with the caveat, “.. but in today’s market that seems unlikely.”

  • TongueInCheek

    One of the considerations in building a new Business Plan needs to be Brand Relevance. This includes answering business questions such as:

    - How do customers purchase?
    - How do customers value and depreciate the asset?
    - Are the customers impacted by Regulators such as the CRTC or FCC?
    - What is the planned lifecycle for the products and broader infrastructure?

    When you consider these kinds of questions the Nortel brand has the best relevance in Service Provider customer segments with Voice and Backhaul leading the way followed by Wireless. Enterprise has a lower brand value given that many Enterprise customers will depreciate the asset over a 3 to 5 year period compared to Service Providers that depreciate over a 10 to 20 year period with direct influence from the various regulators.

    It is well known that Nortel holds the #1 market share position globally for Carrier Voice. The market opportunity over the next 5 years is the transition from Analog/TDM Home Services to IP-based Home Services. There is hundreds of millions of ports in play for that market opportunity along with the increased backhaul bandwidth requirements to support the IP traffic.

    Service Providers will invest in this transition if they see an opportunity to increase ARPU. ARPU can be increased through service bundling and through new features. As an example, look at the latest models of HDTVs. Many now have an Ethernet/IP connection so they can capture Internet content and Widgets to display on the TV. Work is being done to provide TV-based Visual Calling Line ID and Call Control so that you can manage your voice calls with your TV remote control. All of this demands a transition to IP for home services and creates that new ARPU model Service Providers want to sustain and grow their businesses.

    With these factors in mind it makes sense to drive a business model that can effectively respond to the customer needs. Regardless of the name of the company, it's all about the customer.

  • scalpcutter

    Doug wolfe is just an executive. A manager.
    He didn't develop LTE.
    He wasn't the brains behind the idea.
    V.P's are a dime a dozen.
    One as useless as the next.
    All he will do is transfer his secrets and knowledge illegaly to Alcatel.
    If that is what you mean by him making a difference, I guess you have a point. If Nortel had valued the rank and file who do the real work over somebody with the title of VP, exec or manager they would not be in the mess they are in today.

  • Another_Nortel_Watcher

    I never said that Doug Wolff was still the leader of CDMA when he left and I stand by my statement.

    As I said, with Wolff's departure, there is nobody left who can effectively run the CDMA business AND, as scalpcutter points out, a lot of competitive information will go with Wolff to his new home (no, I don't mean technical information).

  • CitizenQ

    While CDMA as a technology is on the declince for 1x voice, it's not dead by any means. Broadband wireless data (EVDO) is still a significant growth business with operators which is evident in Nortel's wireless carrier revenues – even though they outsource the R&D of that product. LTE won't be here for a few years and carriers have an increasing demand for data services – whoever buys the wireless carrier business gets several things – a stable broadband wireless stream, a healthy customer footprint and a springboard for 4G technology as it becomes available. NSN is a very logical choice considering their position in Verizon's LTE strategy. If you ask me, I think that Verizon had some insight into the NT/NSN possibility when they announced their LTE partnerships a few weeks ago (I believe it was mentioned on this site as well). Under this arrangement NSN would become a likely 2nd radio access supplier behind ALU. Not a bad deal.

  • TongueInCheek

    CDMA and GSM are going to be around for another 5 to 10 years so the departure of one person isn't going to have a dramatic impact on that business. Nobody is irreplaceable in any role in any company to the point it would severely damage the business.

    There is a new Forum known as VoLGA created to define the standards for Voice over LTE. Until those standards are completed we can expect to see wireless voice to remain on CDMA and GSM with LTE being targeted at Data services.

    Besides, consider the consumer cost associated with the migration of 500 Million CDMA users to LTE. It's going to take many years for that to happen.

  • less

    Nobody is irreplaceable in any role in any company to the point it would severely damage the business.

    - Mike Z excepted.

  • Another_Nortel_Watcher

    CDMA and GSM are going to be around for another 5 to 10 years so the departure of one person isn't going to have a dramatic impact on that business. Nobody is irreplaceable in any role in any company to the point it would severely damage the business.

    So using that logic, replacing Slattery with Hackney shouldn't have hurt the Enterprise business. Sorry, I disagree. I attribute 20% of the trouble Nortel is in to past sins of previous regimes and 80% to the failure of MZ and his senior leadership team to lead and execute over the past 3 years. One person does not make a successful business but when that one person leaving is the last person in Nortel with experience *running and growing* a wireless business, it's a significant event, IMHO. Who will replace him, another GEnius?

    There is a new Forum known as VoLGA created to define the standards for Voice over LTE. Until those standards are completed we can expect to see wireless voice to remain on CDMA and GSM with LTE being targeted at Data services.

    Agreed.

    Besides, consider the consumer cost associated with the migration of 500 Million CDMA users to LTE. It's going to take many years for that to happen.

    Yes, but all that means for Nortel is support contracts, not new business.

  • less

    Aye. “Throw some money at it, see what sticks” is what I expect to hear once the products thoroughly stale

  • Another_Nortel_Watcher

    Executives can't succeed without strong teams and strong teams can't succeed without strong leaders, otherwise Mike Z and his sycophants wouldn't have been able to do so much damage.

    Nortel VPs are indeed a dime a dozen now, but that is not the case at strong companies and that was not the case at Nortel during the period that BNR/Nortel grew to become a world-class leader in the Telecom market.

  • Another_Nortel_Watcher

    TIC, two critical business questions that may be included with your first question are:

    - Where does the investment take me?
    - Will the vendor take care of me for the lifecycle of the purchase?

    In Nortel's case, the answer to these two questions has been getting increasingly negative over the past few years as the vision became cloudier and the portfolio strategy became unpredictable. Today, I imagine the answer to these questions would be deal-breakers for Service Provider purchasing controllers and Enterprise CIOs.

    As you point out, there is no shortage of opportunity in Nortel's market segment and 3-4 years ago Nortel was in a strong position to expand into new growth areas that leveraged the core businesses. Now, however, it is too late. MZ and his cronies didn't understand Nortel's core business, let alone how to leverage it to get into new opportunities. Those that did understand the opportunities are now pursuing them for other companies.

  • TongueInCheek

    Help us understand then, why are parts of India, China and Africa rolling our CDMA networks to provide basic home telephone like services rather than investing in traditional land-line systems? Also, why are existing CDMA providers experiencing subscriber growth which demands more base stations etc?

    Although CDMA saw a 10% decline in 2008 vs. 2007 revenues, it was still a $2 Billion business. That's not going to simply disappear overnight.

  • whatnext4nt

    Guys, Doug Wolff was not running the CDMA business when he departed, he was running LTE. Graham Richardson is the GM of combined GSM and CDMA business and has a lot of experience and a track record of success in GSM and CDMA prior to heading up the GSM/CDMA business.

  • whatnext4nt

    Doug is an excellent leader and made great contributions to CDMA and LTE, but it is ridiculous to say “With Doug Wolff's departure, Nortel's CDMA business is walking dead already”. However, I do agree with your recommendation that it be sold as quickly as possible, ideally bundled up with Nortel LTE.

  • exnt2

    If anything from Nortel ends up in a private equity firm, it is over. Seen many of them kill the business by shipping out everything to low cost locations. most do not understand the business they are buying and think its easy to offshore, maximize margin and sustain to sell a restructured business.

  • felixmk

    Graham Richardson is a very efficient cost cutter and pragmatic manager and will run CDMA and GSM competently. The businesses will continue to shrink in revenue but will be profitable. Sell them as soon as possible and get some cash to pay off creditors, severance, pension.

  • protosphere

    Your highly respected commentary comes as shock given the consensus is anticipating a traditional bankruptcy /Chapter 7 liquidation.

    May I suggest the Nortel brand can not possibly survive even in a best case scenario on the premise their business units are not being sold.

    With your garage sale analogy, has anyone disclosed interest in anything not for sale with Nortel? Everything must be up for sale because they need money fast before they run out totally. Understandably, they can not stall forever and there may be no easy plan to creatively liquidate enough to effectively distribute let alone absorb in any smaller entity.

    I do not see how they will be able to generate enough money from rapidly depreciating business units to distribute to creditors with the balance of debt being absorbed by the new entity, even if anyone was to take a stake in exchange for remaining debt. They can carve this up white elephant any which way they like but there is only so much to go around.

    Given they have $4.5B debt, $2.8B Pension shortfall, growing severances to a growing list of creditors, etc., with rapidly deteriorating cash, they can not fetch this $8 billion to cover all of their debt.

    Any business is purchased for earnings sake and not to buy losing revenues, if they acquire unlike Nortel that is. =) They already cut units to bone and still lose more money, enterprise down 30%. MENs was not worth no $2B lest $1B and now rumored at $300M, and more pressingly no sale yet let alone any announced offer at all… the key remains being able to sell anything and as fast as they can to have anything left at all. So far nadda…

    Nortel's units are below worthless to them if not sold, losing money, and the very reason they filed for bankruptcy to begin with. This puts them at a major disadvantage further to a soured economic climate with no financing available.

    They can't take the buyers shares in exchange for cash, yet would have to offer debtors shares in any restructured entity. If accepted, as another pressing issue. This strikes me as robbing Peter to pay Paul yet again, at best. Even then they would maintain a greater debt than cash ratio with no guarantees in this ongoing spiral.

    What are your views in a worse case scenario where they can not sell their business units for an adequate amount, do you agree this might inhibit their ability to operate at all, even as a much smaller company, and that the Nortel brand will indeed disappear.

    So far they have been unable to sell anything short of a lot of anonymous “people close to the situation” spreading rumor buyers may be “waiting for a lower price” which may be propaganda to perhaps elicit competitors interest that anyone is interested, in this rising rampant speculation as they try to urgently liquidate as fast as they can.

    What are these units worth at best to satisfy these debt obligations paying off creditors with and being unable to absorb the balance of debt in any new entity. What if these units do not fetch what one might anticipate, worse yet not be sold at all. This antithesis conflicts with any renewed optimism in that the Nortel brand will survive at all.

    One can hype their products to the moon but they lead no where, in decline, lose money to the point of bankruptcy today, and even if they did miraculously liquidate all they could and as best they could, they would still carry more debt than cash in this smaller company spiral yet again…I argue is even highly unlikely under this best case scenario if I may remain so pessimistic given the trend and no offers.

  • protosphere

    “Although CDMA saw a 10% decline in 2008 vs. 2007 “
    This is not true and misleading, it is in steep decline.
    Nortel said -15% but an analyst found it to be more like -25%,

    CDMA is fading in favor of GSM
    CDMA accounted for almost all their profit (80-90% EBT) while already losing money for a decade

    Nortel did not claim bankruptcy because it is booming

    As for your India, China and Africa”
    Ericcson replaced Nortel's faulty gear with India's BSNL and just won a $2B order with Verizon (without buying any of Nortel's business units)
    China has lower cost Huawei and ZTE and Putian used Noika not Nortel. How much action in Africa, railways? Testra in Australia went down years ago. Next? What about BT, or endless other follies leading up to their demise.

    Most of their business was in the US. not any more, Verizon is still their largest customer but Nortel is no longer their largest supplier, not only using others for LTE but Ericcsson just landed a $2B order with them, Sprint also anoither large US customer announced using others for their long boasted WiMax, a while back

    Sorry to burst your bubble again. Do you work in Nortel's PR dept by any chance to claim “our CDMA” ?

  • Theleftbehind

    thats probably the BoD have asked Z today to step down and pass the baton to Pavi

  • TongueInCheek

    For pete's sakes, please learn how to read Financial Statements as filed with the SEC. For the 2008 Form 10K on page 65 under Segment Information and Carrier Networks you will find Revenue numbers for 2006, 2007 and 2008 for CDMA, GSM and UMTS and Circuit and Packet Voice Solutions.

    2007 CDMA = $2.425 Billion
    2008 CDMA = $2.190 Billion

    The reported difference is $235 Million and a Percent Change of 10%.

    Given these facts as reported to the SEC, how can you say that my statement is “not true and misleading”?

  • exnt2

    he was in charge of metro optical under plastina before the Morin platoon came after doing wonders killing of their long haul business. they shipped these guys out, took over and bombed the business again.

    anybody buying metro will probably kill their business as these people would very well ensure they repeat what they are really good at – killing businesses with bad decisions.

  • scalpcutter

    you mean the stick of lit dynamite?

  • scalpcutter

    you got him there.

  • NortelEmp

    I think it's important to look at the internal structure to understand what is truly possible. Nortel has money in certain subsidiaries, but in many cases, the money cannot be taken from one subsidiary to fund another. This is not the same thing as one business unit funding another. Business units are convenient ways of organizing the company for the purposes of managing and market reports. Subsidiaries, however, are legal entities that come with legal restrictions. If parts of the company are to be sold off, it's important to understand which subsidiaries ties into which business units. If there is alignment, it might work. If there is lack of alignment, then it cannot work.

    I do agree that it makes more sense to keep MEN and Carrier voice (comparatively speaking) as they are the most entrenched business units and probably represent the Nortel that most people remember (pre-2000). When they announced the selloff of MEN I couldn't believe it and I thought that of all business units, that was on the one to keep (or merge). Say what you want about services and solutions, but Nortel has never really had that kind of business unit. The most profitable part of the Global Services organization was the maintenance / service agreements that Nortel has had all along on their products. It could never stand alone (at least, not the way in which it was stuctured before they broke it up). So I agree with Duncan's view.

    But I have to wonder if it's possible to contain the two business units intact while the others are stripped away. Nortel may have announced the realignment of the organization back into business units, but it has been a slow, painful and confusing process. On top of that, and probably more importantly, will the current subsidiary structure enable the transformation or hinder it? With so much services and support (on products) sitting in “centres of excellences”, Nortel loses economies of scale when large percentages of the businesses are pulled out. They may well be stuck with even more overhead then they have today and even more, relatively speaking, real-estate, that they will find themselves in much deeper than ever.

    I am surprised about how little anyone on this blog ever talks about a fundamental issue that this company has. It's spread very wide and has little depth – geographically speaking. Yes, there are concentrations of employees in very “large” sites, but in many cases, these large sites actually represent smaller groups that align to business units and/or sales. On top of that, there are many smaller offices around the world, and many teleworkers. When the company was large, had many products lines, this reach was acceptable (sustainable), but as the company shrinks it's like a throwing a bucket of water as far down the driveway as possible: after a few minutes in the sun, the water separates and dries up.

    The first day motions go through, in great detail, the internal transfer payments that occur on a quarterly basis, and also explain how much of Nortel's current cash is tied up in subsidiaries that, by law, cannot release it. Nortel is stuck in quick sand. Even the smartest person is the world would probably be at a loss to figure out how it can be saved. Personally, I think there is only one option: a complete dismantling through the selloff of whatever assets exist. There is still lots of worth in this company, but it could easily become worthless unless someone acknowledges where it's at and decides to tell everyone to stop kicking and stay still while someone pulls them out.

    Bringing in executives from the outside is sometimes a good idea. But the huge downfall is that they might take a long time to figure out exactly what they have on their hands. Nortel is a hugely complicated company because it grew so fast in so many directions. While it grew, the executives held on tight to their centrally managed decision making process because it was growing not as a holding company but as a diversified company that wasn't really diversified (hence the constant struggle with centralized versus diversified R&D). When Z and his team came on board, did they have any idea of what they had. Really? My guess is that they had no idea and probably still don't, because there are probably few (if any) who really can figure it all out. It's like a big ball of silly string. It's hard to see how it's all tangled together and when you try pulling it apart, it just crumbles.

    I love the Nortel that I have been a part of all these years. I'm mad that those who came in to 'save', who never listened closely to what people were trying to tell them. Instead they figured it was just “bad culture” and that anyone who argued with their ideas were preventing change. It was the reverse, in my opinion. Those who were most vocal about not doing certain things were the ones that likely knew for a long time where many of the major problems were. And just as they tried to get Z's attention, they also tried to get all the other CEOs' attention before them, Roth included. But the execs just kept on spraying their silly string and employees kept on trying to find their way out.

    Sorry for the long post.

  • Teleguy

    ahh, it's the 3rd in the world in what it does. Who cares who runs it, it will still produce given the R&D talent. It has made money quarter over quarter, but sustained profit has not been possible given the 9 years of cost reductions at Nortel. MEN is the diamond buried in the shit. Sell it, and give it a chance to shine on its own.

  • Teleguy

    Who cares about the “leaders”. The R&D folks run the show and always will. Nortel has horrible leadership for 9 years, yet still retains the lead in VoIP. BNR may be gone on paper, but it is not in spirit.

  • Teleguy

    Cisco isn't even on the radar for either. Nortel blows them away in Carrier and optical in market share and technology. Cisco isn't even involved in Carrier. With both Carrier and Optical, Nortel has a Global footprint. They always have.

  • InTheRoundEye

    Maybe a little Pollyanna but a couple things come to mind, from an Enterprise perspective I think someone finally realized that companies are not buying right now and if they are, it's not from a company in ch-11.

    Internal rumblings say the $4.5B will be written down to around $900m and the pension fund is done, Nortel will not make any more contributions to it, most likely it will be taken over by the PBGC in the US, not sure what will happen with Canada.

    I think what we are seeing now, is nothing more than valuation of the assets.

  • Another_Nortel_Watcher

    Oh yay. An efficient cost-cutter and pragmatic manager. I guess he will be popular with the GEniuses.

    Sigh.

    NORTEL NEEDS GROWTH ENGINES, NOT COST CUTTING. DON'T YOU ALL GET IT? STOP CELEBRATING 'EFFICIENT COST CUTTING' AND 'PRAGMATIC MANAGEMENT'. ARE YOU ALL BUREAUCRATS?

    Nortel needs passion. Where is it? Is there any left?

  • Another_Nortel_Watcher

    Don't be stupid. The leaders are those who supply funding and agree on direction with R&D. Without a strong leader, the funding dries up and it doesn't matter how good the R&D team is.

    Nortel's leadership in VoIP is the result of DMS and Meridian programs from years ago. Nortel has not yet managed to jump the chasm and deliver a truly new portfolio and the clock is ticking. 'Spirit' isn't an entry on the income statement.

  • felixmk

    1. He is popular with the GEniuses.
    2. It is too late for Nortel to find any growth engines. Certainly GSM and CDMA are NOT growth engines, the overall markets for these technologies are shrinking.
    3. Nortel is dead. I hope the passionate people have found new jobs.

  • scalpcutter

    If this is true all those people getting lawyers are completey wasting their money. There will be no way they get anything.
    Big creditors and lawyers get pennies on the dollar they lost.

  • protosphere

    My aplogies, you are absolutely correct with the CDMA 2007-8 decline of 10%.

    I misconstrued the 10% numbers over 2.5 years worth of forecasting by Nortel and my recall embarrassingly failed me from the following post:

    http://www.financialpost.com/opinion/story.html…

    Even though Nortel as a company is hovering around break-even, that is only due to the very profitable wireless division. Without that, the losses would be much larger.

    Most industry analysts expect global CDMA sales to start shrinking, and even Nortel agrees. At its June 11 analyst day, the company forecast its CDMA revenues to decline at 4% per year between 2007 and 2011.

    But in the second quarter the CDMA business fell 10% year over year. In other words, in 12 months it fell almost as far as Nortel had expected it to fall over 2.5 years — and Nortel also said CDMA bookings for the next quarter look weak.

    Some analysts wondered if the Nortel forecast was too optimistic and suggested that the CDMA decline might be steeper.

  • NTblinker

    You are right. That is the reason why they filed for bankruptcy protection. And also think that these selling division rumours are the ones which were made previously about the MEN sell off. Rumours are nonsense.

  • Nortel watcher

    Humm, are you sure about that?

  • nortel_ottawa

    do you mean carrier VoIP or carrier networks (aka voip+wireless)? With optical lead in 40/100g, nortel is in a position to make money.. I can't see nortel sustain LTE much longer, considering every other player in LTE is significantly bigger (Ericcson, NSN, ALU, Huawei) right now. I don't know enough about carrier voip to comment on it. Wireless gotta be one of the saddest stories in Nortel history. Roth brought it up, and we did well in CDMA and that's it, we're very little in GSM, late on 3G, bailed out of wimax, and now lost verizon's LTE 1st built out.. I think it's only a matter of time before wireless is chopped.

  • Casual_Observer

    In fact, with the right management, the right balance sheet and a bit of an economic recovery/rebound in telecom spending the pared-down company would likely be profitable and growing.

    You can forget about an economic recovery/rebound. What's going on is the great deflation as happen with Japan in the 1990s. There will be a major revaluation of all assets and global GDP will be negative for the first time ever. This will then lead to a downward spiral where deflation takes hold and debts must be paid even if it means companies like Nortel go out of business (barring a bailout from the Canadian Govt). We were in the largest asset bubble (name any asset), that ever was created. The consequences of that deflating bubble will affect everyone and everything.

  • stinkyfoot

    Considering Wireless, our carrier customers are very concerned about the Nortel situation and don't want to replace their installed base which would be too costly. Then the customer is the real value to be bought in this business ! Hence, rather than “chopped” we could see this bought by the other big players by region and technology. My guess is NSN for Americas and CDMA, Huawei for GSM and EMEA, ALU for GSM and Americas, no clear idea for ASIA/China.
    Of course, to reach this kind of deal, it must be deadly complex but I bet E&Y is pushing hard in this direction to serve our greedy creditors.

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