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	<title>Comments on: Ernst &amp; Young: No KEIP for Senior Executives</title>
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		<title>By: Nortel management follows the path of AIG in rewarding incompetence (But wait it gets worse) &#171; Nortel Insider - by Desk Jockey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nortel management follows the path of AIG in rewarding incompetence (But wait it gets worse) &#171; Nortel Insider - by Desk Jockey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is all part of the fraud that is KEIP bonuses which I talked about earlier. Previously the court had turned down Nortel&#8217;s request for KEIP for the senior leadership (the 8 executives who will receive the $7.3 million above) because the creditors wanted to see the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is all part of the fraud that is KEIP bonuses which I talked about earlier. Previously the court had turned down Nortel&#8217;s request for KEIP for the senior leadership (the 8 executives who will receive the $7.3 million above) because the creditors wanted to see the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: protosphere</title>
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		<dc:creator>protosphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 04:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... the recent crash drowned many pigs like mad-dog Maddock the fraud, a pyramid of drained investments&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also AIG mega bonuses negotiationgate to run company held hostage, enraged many including the President of the United States &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We should not ,and as a rule don&#039;t ,negotiate with terrorists yet we are held hostage in our own countries.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;bonuses amounted to &quot;stealing from a corpse &quot;...shameless &lt;br&gt;Not unlike Nortel asking here for bonuses in my view....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also., Nortel still has another supposed bill or so offshore  but it is locked up, does this mean with or without a key?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No money but lotsa bonuses makes no cents... of the cash it should be distributed to the greater number of heads as I have always advocated =), like severances for example, one I feel is of an exponentially greater priority . &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Something is not right this high up this many times one is inclined to ponder =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; the recent crash drowned many pigs like mad-dog Maddock the fraud, a pyramid of drained investments</p>
<p>Also AIG mega bonuses negotiationgate to run company held hostage, enraged many including the President of the United States </p>
<p>We should not ,and as a rule don&#39;t ,negotiate with terrorists yet we are held hostage in our own countries.</p>
<p>bonuses amounted to &#8220;stealing from a corpse &#8220;&#8230;shameless <br />Not unlike Nortel asking here for bonuses in my view&#8230;.</p>
<p>Also., Nortel still has another supposed bill or so offshore  but it is locked up, does this mean with or without a key?</p>
<p>No money but lotsa bonuses makes no cents&#8230; of the cash it should be distributed to the greater number of heads as I have always advocated =), like severances for example, one I feel is of an exponentially greater priority . </p>
<p>Something is not right this high up this many times one is inclined to ponder =)</p>
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		<title>By: protosphere</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2009/03/05/ernst-young-no-keip-for-senior-executives/comment-page-1/#comment-12539</link>
		<dc:creator>protosphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... the recent crash drowned many pigs like mad-dog Maddock the fraud, a pyramid of drained investments&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also AIG mega bonuses negotiationgate to run company held hostage, enraged many including the President of the United States &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We should not ,and as a rule don&#039;t ,negotiate with terrorists yet we are held hostage in our own countries.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;bonuses amounted to &quot;stealing from a corpse &quot;...shameless &lt;br&gt;Not unlike Nortel asking here for bonuses in my view....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also., Nortel still has another supposed bill or so offshore  but it is locked up, does this mean with or without a key?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No money but lotsa bonuses makes no cents... of the cash it should be distributed to the greater number of heads as I have always advocated =), like severances for example, one I feel is of an exponentially greater priority . &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Something is not right this high up this many times one is inclined to ponder =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; the recent crash drowned many pigs like mad-dog Maddock the fraud, a pyramid of drained investments</p>
<p>Also AIG mega bonuses negotiationgate to run company held hostage, enraged many including the President of the United States </p>
<p>We should not ,and as a rule don&#39;t ,negotiate with terrorists yet we are held hostage in our own countries.</p>
<p>bonuses amounted to &#8220;stealing from a corpse &#8220;&#8230;shameless <br />Not unlike Nortel asking here for bonuses in my view&#8230;.</p>
<p>Also., Nortel still has another supposed bill or so offshore  but it is locked up, does this mean with or without a key?</p>
<p>No money but lotsa bonuses makes no cents&#8230; of the cash it should be distributed to the greater number of heads as I have always advocated =), like severances for example, one I feel is of an exponentially greater priority . </p>
<p>Something is not right this high up this many times one is inclined to ponder =)</p>
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		<title>By: Disgruntled_ex_employee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disgruntled_ex_employee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shameful bunch of executives ..... after taking the company to this pathetic level ..... these people have the audacity to recommend a retention bonus for these executives.  Mike Z should have been fired a long time ago along with his poodle Hackney, who isnt a man enough to pick on someone his own size.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shameful bunch of executives &#8230;.. after taking the company to this pathetic level &#8230;.. these people have the audacity to recommend a retention bonus for these executives.  Mike Z should have been fired a long time ago along with his poodle Hackney, who isnt a man enough to pick on someone his own size.</p>
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		<title>By: protosphere</title>
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		<dc:creator>protosphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the &quot;confidential report&quot; they keep referring to?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They make it sound like if they don&#039;t pay they will lose key employees, like this some sort of internal ultimatum or something. What about the vast majority of their employees that are not only not included but when canned told to stand in line with the rest of their creditors?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A lot seems to be requested to go off shore too, where their cash is locked up.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyone would normally be a shocked beyond belief but this is not a normal company and I guess everyone has desensitized to a state of who cares numb by now.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the courts approve this, there should be a public inquiry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the &#8220;confidential report&#8221; they keep referring to?</p>
<p>They make it sound like if they don&#39;t pay they will lose key employees, like this some sort of internal ultimatum or something. What about the vast majority of their employees that are not only not included but when canned told to stand in line with the rest of their creditors?</p>
<p>A lot seems to be requested to go off shore too, where their cash is locked up.</p>
<p>Anyone would normally be a shocked beyond belief but this is not a normal company and I guess everyone has desensitized to a state of who cares numb by now.</p>
<p>If the courts approve this, there should be a public inquiry.</p>
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		<title>By: scalpcutter</title>
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		<dc:creator>scalpcutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spradley..a smiling giddy walrus who tried to give the impression she was tough.  A PR puppet.&lt;br&gt;Flaherty...Did she ever really do anything but PR stuff?&lt;br&gt;What they have in common. Greed Man. Greed.&lt;br&gt;The executive mantra.&lt;br&gt;You have to remember.&lt;br&gt;The typical overpaid executive has no clue what they are doing.&lt;br&gt;They are in that position for four reasons.&lt;br&gt;Good in front of a camera.&lt;br&gt;Good in front of an audience.&lt;br&gt;Good when being interviewed by TV or the newspaper.&lt;br&gt;Good at sucking up to the boss and being a true clique member.&lt;br&gt;Besides that there really isn&#039;t any substance to an exec.&lt;br&gt;They basically make bad decisions and don&#039;t listen to the peons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spradley..a smiling giddy walrus who tried to give the impression she was tough.  A PR puppet.<br />Flaherty&#8230;Did she ever really do anything but PR stuff?<br />What they have in common. Greed Man. Greed.<br />The executive mantra.<br />You have to remember.<br />The typical overpaid executive has no clue what they are doing.<br />They are in that position for four reasons.<br />Good in front of a camera.<br />Good in front of an audience.<br />Good when being interviewed by TV or the newspaper.<br />Good at sucking up to the boss and being a true clique member.<br />Besides that there really isn&#39;t any substance to an exec.<br />They basically make bad decisions and don&#39;t listen to the peons.</p>
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		<title>By: One_way_ticket_to_Chapter_7</title>
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		<dc:creator>One_way_ticket_to_Chapter_7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://business.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090306.wrnortel06/BNStory/Business/home&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://business.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The double wide jacuzzi could definitely be used for customer meetings or non-disclosure discussions of a different kind.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At least they had the sense to cancel although you I am trying to understand how sending 180 people to conference is not a little over the top as we had an effort to reduce expenses and have been ratcheted down on expenses forever and then some.</description>
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<p>The double wide jacuzzi could definitely be used for customer meetings or non-disclosure discussions of a different kind.  </p>
<p>At least they had the sense to cancel although you I am trying to understand how sending 180 people to conference is not a little over the top as we had an effort to reduce expenses and have been ratcheted down on expenses forever and then some.</p>
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		<title>By: jbinmass</title>
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		<dc:creator>jbinmass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 07:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to quote the little man hiding behind the Chapter 11 curtain, the Great and Powerful &quot;oZ&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Today I want to talk to you about: something that is very dear to me, something that I have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy with and that&#039;s...... &lt;br&gt;Integrity...&lt;br&gt;Integrity...&lt;br&gt;Integrity.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &quot;We compete vigorously and fairly in the marketplace with integrity. We are honest, and obey all applicable laws. We are committed to live out our values. We treat others with dignity and respect. We strive to do the right thing for individuals, organizations and society in general.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;  (Although I did overlook a small incident in a parking lot at a basket ball game in NC, but that was only once and besides it was a close friend and protégé)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; In addition doesn&#039;t Mercer hold the purse strings on the Nortel pension fund? Do I smell a conflict of interest here or is it just a combination of fraud and more greed all around by the players involved?  Why would Nortel hire them at such an astronomical cost to develop a recovery plan? Isn&#039;t that what oZ and the boys get paid to do? Let&#039;s just burn up what&#039;s left of the 2B in cash to hire someone else to do what we failed to do in the last three years, yeah that&#039;s a great idea. But we&#039;ll tell the banks that we need to retain our own group of own geniuses by showering them with a &quot;little&quot; retention money so we don&#039;t lose them. Just where the hell do you think they&#039;re going to go to Cisco? But not to worry they have all signed non-competition clauses I&#039;m sure, not allowing them to forfeit any confidential Nortel info, just like the severances packages signed by thousands, I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll honor their end of the bargain too. You have nothing to worry about.&lt;br&gt;There was a call back in January with a Mercer representative talking to the 401K and pension fund concerns, and let me tell you he was doing a song and dance number that would put Fred Astaire to shame. He noted that the plan was way underfunded which eliminated any chance of lump sum pay outs, and also he noted that the next payment to the fund was due in April, if Nortel decides to make it. &lt;br&gt; Let me think for a minute here....pension fund for thousands of employees spanning over decades or executive bonuses up the 183% before filing Chapter 7 for us before we fold up this circus tent. With the recent KEIP program imitative.....What&#039;s your guess? &lt;br&gt;  Not only are recently impacted and future Nortel layoffs (who&#039;ll be lucky to get a few &quot;Atta boys&quot; as they&#039;re escorted off the property) going to be impacted by this, but so are generations of ex-Northern Telecom employees, minus one Mr. Roth of course. (he&#039;s set for life)&lt;br&gt; So, I&#039;m wondering when does this &quot;integrity&quot; thing is going to kick in here by a man that has preached it since his first day on the job some 3+ years ago ( aka The 11M $ Messiah). Why can so few be allowed to ruin the lives of so many all in name of their own personal gain? How could anyone even consider letting these folks reward themselves for their own failure, as they destroyed what was once Canada&#039;s largest employer?&lt;br&gt; Unfortunately the Great and Powerful oZ still has about 18 months left on his 5 year plan/contract or Nortel will need to pay him another 10M in an exit package just to can his sorry a**. &lt;br&gt;  Can anyone fill me in on the next &quot; I Believe&quot; rally or are they still even around? There&#039;s a few things that I believe in, one is that every dog has it&#039;s day and what goes around comes around. Now a days the only difference between Nortel and the Titanic is they had a band.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;  Desk Jockey.. keep up the good work. The videos are the best. Given the chance I’d like to shake your hand for calling a spade a spade. I&#039;ve shared your efforts with everyone I know....priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to quote the little man hiding behind the Chapter 11 curtain, the Great and Powerful &#8220;oZ&#8221;</p>
<p>Today I want to talk to you about: something that is very dear to me, something that I have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy with and that&#39;s&#8230;&#8230; <br />Integrity&#8230;<br />Integrity&#8230;<br />Integrity.</p>
<p> &#8220;We compete vigorously and fairly in the marketplace with integrity. We are honest, and obey all applicable laws. We are committed to live out our values. We treat others with dignity and respect. We strive to do the right thing for individuals, organizations and society in general.&#8221;</p>
<p>  (Although I did overlook a small incident in a parking lot at a basket ball game in NC, but that was only once and besides it was a close friend and protégé)</p>
<p> In addition doesn&#39;t Mercer hold the purse strings on the Nortel pension fund? Do I smell a conflict of interest here or is it just a combination of fraud and more greed all around by the players involved?  Why would Nortel hire them at such an astronomical cost to develop a recovery plan? Isn&#39;t that what oZ and the boys get paid to do? Let&#39;s just burn up what&#39;s left of the 2B in cash to hire someone else to do what we failed to do in the last three years, yeah that&#39;s a great idea. But we&#39;ll tell the banks that we need to retain our own group of own geniuses by showering them with a &#8220;little&#8221; retention money so we don&#39;t lose them. Just where the hell do you think they&#39;re going to go to Cisco? But not to worry they have all signed non-competition clauses I&#39;m sure, not allowing them to forfeit any confidential Nortel info, just like the severances packages signed by thousands, I&#39;m sure they&#39;ll honor their end of the bargain too. You have nothing to worry about.<br />There was a call back in January with a Mercer representative talking to the 401K and pension fund concerns, and let me tell you he was doing a song and dance number that would put Fred Astaire to shame. He noted that the plan was way underfunded which eliminated any chance of lump sum pay outs, and also he noted that the next payment to the fund was due in April, if Nortel decides to make it. <br /> Let me think for a minute here&#8230;.pension fund for thousands of employees spanning over decades or executive bonuses up the 183% before filing Chapter 7 for us before we fold up this circus tent. With the recent KEIP program imitative&#8230;..What&#39;s your guess? <br />  Not only are recently impacted and future Nortel layoffs (who&#39;ll be lucky to get a few &#8220;Atta boys&#8221; as they&#39;re escorted off the property) going to be impacted by this, but so are generations of ex-Northern Telecom employees, minus one Mr. Roth of course. (he&#39;s set for life)<br /> So, I&#39;m wondering when does this &#8220;integrity&#8221; thing is going to kick in here by a man that has preached it since his first day on the job some 3+ years ago ( aka The 11M $ Messiah). Why can so few be allowed to ruin the lives of so many all in name of their own personal gain? How could anyone even consider letting these folks reward themselves for their own failure, as they destroyed what was once Canada&#39;s largest employer?<br /> Unfortunately the Great and Powerful oZ still has about 18 months left on his 5 year plan/contract or Nortel will need to pay him another 10M in an exit package just to can his sorry a**. <br />  Can anyone fill me in on the next &#8221; I Believe&#8221; rally or are they still even around? There&#39;s a few things that I believe in, one is that every dog has it&#39;s day and what goes around comes around. Now a days the only difference between Nortel and the Titanic is they had a band.</p>
<p>  Desk Jockey.. keep up the good work. The videos are the best. Given the chance I’d like to shake your hand for calling a spade a spade. I&#39;ve shared your efforts with everyone I know&#8230;.priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: RichardCranium</title>
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		<dc:creator>RichardCranium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spradley?  I&#039;ve still got the glass butt plugs that she bought for everyone back in the day sitting on my desk..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spradley?  I&#39;ve still got the glass butt plugs that she bought for everyone back in the day sitting on my desk..</p>
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		<title>By: Don_Corleone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don_Corleone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Z. might want to reconsider trying to renig on his deal with Caesar&#039;s less he wants to wake up with an equestrian head in his bed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Z. might want to reconsider trying to renig on his deal with Caesar&#39;s less he wants to wake up with an equestrian head in his bed.</p>
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