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		<title>By: yes4aapl</title>
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		<dc:creator>yes4aapl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>However, the need to do major restructuring (finally recognized) and the major pension underfund liability (probably closer to $3B than $2B) were pieces of the puzzle that did not have a viable answer outside of going the protection route.&lt;br&gt;====&lt;br&gt;re&lt;br&gt;welcome on board!&lt;br&gt;Nice post!&lt;br&gt;The blog you posted for has  never acknowledged $3 bill in pension deficit!&lt;br&gt;It was my estimation 8 months ago.&lt;br&gt;btw&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s not all bad when we talk about Nortel!&lt;br&gt;Last Ottawa Citizen article explains that.&lt;br&gt;So many good people  were grown on  Nortel&#039;s payroll!&lt;br&gt;So many!&lt;br&gt;Shareholders would be proud knowing that!&lt;br&gt;So many!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However, the need to do major restructuring (finally recognized) and the major pension underfund liability (probably closer to $3B than $2B) were pieces of the puzzle that did not have a viable answer outside of going the protection route.<br />====<br />re<br />welcome on board!<br />Nice post!<br />The blog you posted for has  never acknowledged $3 bill in pension deficit!<br />It was my estimation 8 months ago.<br />btw</p>
<p>It&#39;s not all bad when we talk about Nortel!<br />Last Ottawa Citizen article explains that.<br />So many good people  were grown on  Nortel&#39;s payroll!<br />So many!<br />Shareholders would be proud knowing that!<br />So many!</p>
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		<title>By: yes4aapl</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2009/02/27/richard-lowe-speaks-up/comment-page-1/#comment-31549</link>
		<dc:creator>yes4aapl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Wow!&lt;br&gt;Firing Nortel&#039;s employees has been an easy job. Nortel has fired 65 000 of them so far with no problems!&lt;br&gt;What you R talking about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Wow!<br />Firing Nortel&#39;s employees has been an easy job. Nortel has fired 65 000 of them so far with no problems!<br />What you R talking about?</p>
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		<title>By: Got_Out</title>
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		<dc:creator>Got_Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the interesting values in blogs such are this is that everyone has an opinion and no one has to back up their statements, opinions or comments with accountability or fact.     Unfortunately, some blogs (such as this one) seem to get clogged with individuals who reduce the value of their posts by allowing emotion to overpower logic and reality.  They also seem to be the individuals that spend time attacking others rather than discussing the issues.   Rather than sinking to that level or questioning your experience, I&#039;ll stay focused on the issue.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The court is ultimately responsible to ensure the law (Canadian, US, UK in this case) is followed and that the rights/interests of all parties are recognized and protected.  The Monitor is assigned to be part of the process as it moves forward.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unlike many other cases (where there is significant misalignment of assets and liabilities),  on paper, Nortel is relatively close.  The driver was not the differential, it was cash.  As they have for all this decade, they continue to burn cash to maintain operations (this is an area where Mike and team were able to drive improvement, with a few quarters postive CF).   However, the need to do major restructuring (finally recognized) and the major pension underfund liability (probably closer to $3B than $2B) were pieces of the puzzle that did not have a viable answer outside of going the protection route.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is still much pain to go for this once big company.  I refrain from the expression &quot;great company&quot;, as it rarely has demonstrated consistent and growing profitability since the real hay days - the 1980&#039;s.   The emotional and financial pain for employees, suppliers and customers who have made financial and personal commitments to Nortel is only beginning.   I am not delusion or naive, but the world is also not all dark.   Either Nortel goes into bankruptcy (with debtors paid cents on the dollar and a pension fund windup)  or it emerges as a smaller more focused (restructured) company with some type of settlement with debtors.    In Canada, there are recent examples, such as Air Canada.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While I am no admirer of Mike Z and his few close associates (Joel, Dennis C), they do understand that like the class action suits, if they dont deal with the debt, they can never get to a new world.   Personally, I doubt their ability to build a vision, strategy and execute a new direction, but they are right that they cant move forward as it currently exists.   The laws and courts provide both  the means and the protection to reset.  A lot of people (current employees, ex-employees, suppliers, customers) will pay for the sins of omission and commission committed by a long list of previous leadership.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Only time will tell, but I am highly confident (based on my corporate, financial and legal experience) that the debt wont go from $12B to zero.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Have a nice day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the interesting values in blogs such are this is that everyone has an opinion and no one has to back up their statements, opinions or comments with accountability or fact.     Unfortunately, some blogs (such as this one) seem to get clogged with individuals who reduce the value of their posts by allowing emotion to overpower logic and reality.  They also seem to be the individuals that spend time attacking others rather than discussing the issues.   Rather than sinking to that level or questioning your experience, I&#39;ll stay focused on the issue.</p>
<p>The court is ultimately responsible to ensure the law (Canadian, US, UK in this case) is followed and that the rights/interests of all parties are recognized and protected.  The Monitor is assigned to be part of the process as it moves forward.  </p>
<p>Unlike many other cases (where there is significant misalignment of assets and liabilities),  on paper, Nortel is relatively close.  The driver was not the differential, it was cash.  As they have for all this decade, they continue to burn cash to maintain operations (this is an area where Mike and team were able to drive improvement, with a few quarters postive CF).   However, the need to do major restructuring (finally recognized) and the major pension underfund liability (probably closer to $3B than $2B) were pieces of the puzzle that did not have a viable answer outside of going the protection route.   </p>
<p>There is still much pain to go for this once big company.  I refrain from the expression &#8220;great company&#8221;, as it rarely has demonstrated consistent and growing profitability since the real hay days &#8211; the 1980&#39;s.   The emotional and financial pain for employees, suppliers and customers who have made financial and personal commitments to Nortel is only beginning.   I am not delusion or naive, but the world is also not all dark.   Either Nortel goes into bankruptcy (with debtors paid cents on the dollar and a pension fund windup)  or it emerges as a smaller more focused (restructured) company with some type of settlement with debtors.    In Canada, there are recent examples, such as Air Canada.</p>
<p>While I am no admirer of Mike Z and his few close associates (Joel, Dennis C), they do understand that like the class action suits, if they dont deal with the debt, they can never get to a new world.   Personally, I doubt their ability to build a vision, strategy and execute a new direction, but they are right that they cant move forward as it currently exists.   The laws and courts provide both  the means and the protection to reset.  A lot of people (current employees, ex-employees, suppliers, customers) will pay for the sins of omission and commission committed by a long list of previous leadership.  </p>
<p>Only time will tell, but I am highly confident (based on my corporate, financial and legal experience) that the debt wont go from $12B to zero.</p>
<p>Have a nice day!</p>
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		<title>By: netas</title>
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		<dc:creator>netas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so the next step will be convincing its creditors and pension holders, and giving them new share in exchange for its liabilities to them. am i right? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;many thanks for the replies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so the next step will be convincing its creditors and pension holders, and giving them new share in exchange for its liabilities to them. am i right? </p>
<p>many thanks for the replies.</p>
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		<title>By: netas</title>
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		<dc:creator>netas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. Nortel filed for ch 11 on January 14, 2009. this will have an any effect on 2008-end figures. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But when you look at the second monitors reports issued on Jan 30, 2009, you see that the cash has declined around by 70 mn. so you are right, when you take into account unpaid liabilities due to bankruptcy protection, 1Q2009 figure (not 2008 end figure)  will not be a pleasant one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. Nortel filed for ch 11 on January 14, 2009. this will have an any effect on 2008-end figures. </p>
<p>But when you look at the second monitors reports issued on Jan 30, 2009, you see that the cash has declined around by 70 mn. so you are right, when you take into account unpaid liabilities due to bankruptcy protection, 1Q2009 figure (not 2008 end figure)  will not be a pleasant one.</p>
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		<title>By: RealityStrikes</title>
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		<dc:creator>RealityStrikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect the Nortel cash position increased (you calculate $144M) simply because, upon entering Ch 11, Nortel has not paid some of its suppliers.  But I&#039;m not a financial guy.... the CFO knows the real truth.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect the Nortel cash position increased (you calculate $144M) simply because, upon entering Ch 11, Nortel has not paid some of its suppliers.  But I&#39;m not a financial guy&#8230;. the CFO knows the real truth.  <img src='http://www.allaboutnortel.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: scalpcutter</title>
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		<dc:creator>scalpcutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect  you are wrong, unassuming, naive and gullible to make a statement that &quot;no creditor will walk away with nothing&quot;. I know how this works and you should check out other examples of what creditors end up with in cases like this. Remember the accounting fiasco. Nortel wasn&#039;t even in bankruptcy protection. I know many people who were part of the lawsuit. Most received back useless tock as payment ..a percent of what they lost. Others received a paltry cash sum. In other words they were all disappointed and none of them said it was worth it at the end of the day. Now under protection and with more lawyers involved it will be impossible to walk away with &quot;something&quot; unless you are a bank owed money. It won&#039;t be worth it for the average creditor. Mark my Words.  From what I understand there are No Secured Creditors. If there are they would be the ones owed billions and even they will Receive pennies on the dollar. I don&#039;t know why you feel so optimistic about this. You should check out  the real world and how things work bud.&lt;br&gt;Take it from a guy with experience,.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect  you are wrong, unassuming, naive and gullible to make a statement that &#8220;no creditor will walk away with nothing&#8221;. I know how this works and you should check out other examples of what creditors end up with in cases like this. Remember the accounting fiasco. Nortel wasn&#39;t even in bankruptcy protection. I know many people who were part of the lawsuit. Most received back useless tock as payment ..a percent of what they lost. Others received a paltry cash sum. In other words they were all disappointed and none of them said it was worth it at the end of the day. Now under protection and with more lawyers involved it will be impossible to walk away with &#8220;something&#8221; unless you are a bank owed money. It won&#39;t be worth it for the average creditor. Mark my Words.  From what I understand there are No Secured Creditors. If there are they would be the ones owed billions and even they will Receive pennies on the dollar. I don&#39;t know why you feel so optimistic about this. You should check out  the real world and how things work bud.<br />Take it from a guy with experience,.</p>
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		<title>By: 4merEmployee22</title>
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		<dc:creator>4merEmployee22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OOOOOOOOps!!!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;FIRING EMPLOYEES IS MORE COMPLEX!!!!  My friend?&lt;br&gt;Just imagine?  3,200 employees taking them to court for &lt;br&gt;&quot;UNJUST CAUSE&quot;  There has to be  justified reasons for just&lt;br&gt;&quot;FIRING EMPLOYEES&quot;,  which is very complicated. If they went on&lt;br&gt;strike and don&#039;t want to go back to work.. then it&#039;s probably  logical&lt;br&gt;to fire them all!! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now?  My question is... How do they FIRE an incompetent CEO?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OOOOOOOOps!!!!</p>
<p>FIRING EMPLOYEES IS MORE COMPLEX!!!!  My friend?<br />Just imagine?  3,200 employees taking them to court for <br />&#8220;UNJUST CAUSE&#8221;  There has to be  justified reasons for just<br />&#8220;FIRING EMPLOYEES&#8221;,  which is very complicated. If they went on<br />strike and don&#39;t want to go back to work.. then it&#39;s probably  logical<br />to fire them all!! </p>
<p>Now?  My question is&#8230; How do they FIRE an incompetent CEO?</p>
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		<title>By: Got_Out</title>
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		<dc:creator>Got_Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, but that it could be that easy.   While filing CCAA/Chapt 11 has released them from severance, lease exit costs  and other costs associated with restructuring/downsizing, the Debt doesnt go to zero.  The Z and team still need to come up with a plan for that debt that will be accepted by the creditors (secured and unsecured).  With the assets they have ($11B on the books),  no creditor will walk with nothing.   They will get it reduced and in some cases they may manage to walk away, but it will be far from zero.   The secured creditors will get all of theirs in most cases.  Govt agencies will be the real decision maker on the pension underfunds.  And of course, how will all of the unsecured creditors (1000&#039;s of ex-employees) vote?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here&#039;s an interesting question - assuming their is a Nortel post the CCAA/Chapt 11,  how does everyone feel about  having a stake in the &quot;new Nortel&quot;??    Highly likely they will try to turn a lot of the debt into equity in the newco.   Will you want to be a stakeholder, given its the same leadership and business??   Joel Hackney as the CEO of a now Enterprise centric &quot;New Nortel&quot;??  Will you have a choice?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe I should buy some more Cisco stock....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, but that it could be that easy.   While filing CCAA/Chapt 11 has released them from severance, lease exit costs  and other costs associated with restructuring/downsizing, the Debt doesnt go to zero.  The Z and team still need to come up with a plan for that debt that will be accepted by the creditors (secured and unsecured).  With the assets they have ($11B on the books),  no creditor will walk with nothing.   They will get it reduced and in some cases they may manage to walk away, but it will be far from zero.   The secured creditors will get all of theirs in most cases.  Govt agencies will be the real decision maker on the pension underfunds.  And of course, how will all of the unsecured creditors (1000&#39;s of ex-employees) vote?</p>
<p>Here&#39;s an interesting question &#8211; assuming their is a Nortel post the CCAA/Chapt 11,  how does everyone feel about  having a stake in the &#8220;new Nortel&#8221;??    Highly likely they will try to turn a lot of the debt into equity in the newco.   Will you want to be a stakeholder, given its the same leadership and business??   Joel Hackney as the CEO of a now Enterprise centric &#8220;New Nortel&#8221;??  Will you have a choice?</p>
<p>Maybe I should buy some more Cisco stock&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: yes4aapl</title>
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		<dc:creator>yes4aapl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>However, the need to do major restructuring (finally recognized) and the major pension underfund liability (probably closer to $3B than $2B) were pieces of the puzzle that did not have a viable answer outside of going the protection route.&lt;br&gt;====&lt;br&gt;re&lt;br&gt;welcome on board!&lt;br&gt;Nice post!&lt;br&gt;The blog you posted for has  never acknowledged $3 bill in pension deficit!&lt;br&gt;It was my estimation 8 months ago.&lt;br&gt;btw&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s not all bad when we talk about Nortel!&lt;br&gt;Last Ottawa Citizen article explains that.&lt;br&gt;So many good people  were grown on  Nortel&#039;s payroll!&lt;br&gt;So many!&lt;br&gt;Shareholders would be proud knowing that!&lt;br&gt;So many!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However, the need to do major restructuring (finally recognized) and the major pension underfund liability (probably closer to $3B than $2B) were pieces of the puzzle that did not have a viable answer outside of going the protection route.<br />====<br />re<br />welcome on board!<br />Nice post!<br />The blog you posted for has  never acknowledged $3 bill in pension deficit!<br />It was my estimation 8 months ago.<br />btw</p>
<p>It&#39;s not all bad when we talk about Nortel!<br />Last Ottawa Citizen article explains that.<br />So many good people  were grown on  Nortel&#39;s payroll!<br />So many!<br />Shareholders would be proud knowing that!<br />So many!</p>
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