Nortel May Not Sell MEN

Update: Nortel has officially taken MEN off the block

An interesting comment from Nortel’s Joel Hackney about the how the company may take its Metro Ethernet network business off the sales block:

“We are reassessing that decision to potentially sell MEN,” he told NetworkWorld. “With the actions we’re doing on creditor protection, it gives us time to reassess that. The industry has clearly shown that the MEN business has some strong technologies.”

The decision to sell MEN has always struck me as act desperation given it’s probably Nortel’s crown jewel given it has growing sales and leading-edge technology that customers want to buy.

Before the bankruptcy filing, Nortel obviously believed it had to sell MEN to raise some much-needed cash but now that the bankruptcy filing could let Nortel out of some of it debt and pension liabilities, the need to sell MEN may have disappeared.

In the end, if Nortel does decide to keep MEN, it may be the best thing to happen in terms of the company’s long-term future.

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  • exnt2

    I told you just a few days ago that it looks dead or prolonged.

  • Another_Nortel_Watcher

    Smack! (sound of virtual shoe hitting Joel Hackney mid sentence)

  • TongueInCheek

    By no means am I a Bankruptcy Protection subject matter expert, but I would think that any major transaction would need court approvals to proceed. I thought I saw somewhere on the US based Chapter-11 proceedings with Nortel that a court motion was approved for transactions up to $10 Million. Will double back on that one.

  • LonelyOpsGuy

    The thought process by the executive team gives me the creeps. Everyone knew about selling MEN was a bad idea from the start. To move forward:
    a) Sell the whole wireless business. They need to stop fooling themselves that CDMA is a cash cow. CDMA is an iron ball attached to their legs.
    b) Proper segment the equipments in service providers and enterprise, distributing MEN products in these two segments accordingly. No need to keep a separate feud.
    c) Properly recruit and train and empower the channels for the enterprise sales. No more “direct touch” or spend own money to bail out the channels asses when they run into trouble.
    d) Invest heavily in the carrier-class VoIP business. Scale it properly so you can support both the service providers AND enterprise business.

  • broadbandbill

    It WAS an act of desperation and panic, which explains the depth of this impotent management team…–bb

  • protosphere

    Even if they could sell MENs, it wouldn't anywhere near their decine in CDMA (almost all Nortel's profits / 80-90% EBT).

    I think it will do them little if any good at this point to try and maintain looking big with slim margins as earnings remains the name of the game than growing revenues. Look at PEC /NGS.

    No one wants MEN and this just sounds this the fox jumping for the grapes, can't sell it to won't sell it are 2 different things. I suspect this is just more Nortel propaganda, lack of transparency, amid endless contradictions as they struggle to convince they can emerge from the dead.

    Again, if they keep it to their final hour it is because they can not sell it. not because they do not want to and they already treied for months as the most obvious.

    They need all the cash they can get heading into Chapter 11 by definition, who do they think they are kidding. here, yet again.

  • joremero

    yup, i think the same thing… none of this can happen without court and creditor approval

  • Casual_Observer

    More evidence that they don't see much beyond their nose. They are better off just not opening their mouth anymore because we all know they have no clue of what to do next.

  • broadbandbill

    Where is the other shoe? …–bb

  • Teleguy

    It was not “prolonged” You don't sell an entire Line of Business overnight. The media and some posters here were ignorant on how long it takes to sell a significant portion of a company. If it doesn't go ahead, it is only because they are not getting offers in the range that they think the business is worth. I am sure there are many who are interested.

  • netas

    this is obvious. selling man for US$400 mn (huawei's offer) will not help Nortel's financial. the company can burn this amount of cash in one quarter.

    only way out is being takenover by either another telecom company or the bank of melon. nortel needs to get rid of US$4 bn debt.

  • Ex_Nortel

    Nortel is unable to break out the MEN business as separate and distinct entity from the rest of Nortel. Two large private equity firms walked away when Nortel could not perform this straight forward task. They could not even come up with a number for assigned receiveables and they could not accurately explain their deferred revenue stream. And these were the easy issues.

    Until Nortel enters into Chapter 7, there will be no major asset sales. So, it makes no sense for the Nortel's management to leave industry watchers with the impression that they are unsuccessfully trying to sell MEN when they can't really sell MEN. So Hackeny decided to put a little lip stick on the pig and kiss it.

  • netas

    so how did they manage to sell the 3g business to Alcatel?

  • Ex_Nortel

    Nortel used to have 36 separate P & L centers with their own accounting and reporting methodologies. Every quarter, Nortel would spend a fortune on Deloitte & Touche to merge the financial statements of the 36 separate P & Ls into 1 P & L for the whole company.

    When the UMTS business was sold, it was a self-contained business with its own P & L (including broken out assets, expenses, receivables, goodwill, etc.).

    Nortel now has one very confused and convoluted P & L center which attempts to deal with problems and fantasies of a poor merger of 36 separate P & Ls with different account procedures and methodologies.

  • PM_Guy

    This is not new news Mike Z hinted at his GIS after the filing that they would be reassessing any asset sales IE: MEN.

    The statement of “an act of desperation “sums it up well. Nortel Leadership has failed horribly and they are disparate. They have put a noose around Nortel neck and everyone is just waiting for them to fall off the chair while they do their silly dance and strangle the company with their incompetence.

    I guess this is the one area Hackney has experience in.

  • Casual_Observer

    So its basically a CF.

  • Casual_Observer

    More from Mohammed..

    Nortel suspends plans to sell Metro Ethernet unit
    Wed Feb 4, 2009 4:42pm EST
    (In U.S. dollars unless noted)

    TORONTO, Feb 4 (Reuters) – Ailing telecom equipment maker Nortel Networks Corp (NT.TO: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz)NT.N has suspended its plans to sell its Metro Ethernet Networks unit as it begins its restructuring under bankruptcy protection, a spokesman said on Wednesday.

    “The previously announced potential MEN divestiture has been put on hold while the overall business plan is being developed,” Mohammed Nakhooda told Reuters.

    Analysts had speculated the division, which includes Nortel's optical and carrier ethernet technology, could fetch as much as $1 billion. The business was put up for sale in September, but no bids have materialized to date. (Reporting by Wojtek Dabrowski; editing by Rob Wilson)

    http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idCA…

  • netas

    so Ex_Nortel , what do you think about future of the company? do you think that nortel will be sold as a whole? or will it shut down its engines for good without being taken over?

  • Casual_Observer

    The real issue is Nortel was expecting more than they could get. Whichever GEniuses though they could sell anything in this market for anything more than 50-80% off inflated values is insane. Nortel (and the rest of the industry) will soon find that the market for many of their products isn't as big as it was in the last 15-20 years as the global recession and credit crisis deepens in 2009 and into 2010.

  • Casual_Observer

    quod erat demonstrandum

    AP
    Cisco earnings down; January notably weak
    Wednesday February 4, 5:23 pm ET
    By Peter Svensson, AP Technology Writer
    Cisco warns of weakening orders, sees 15-20 percent sales drop in current quarter

    NEW YORK (AP) — Technology bellwether Cisco Systems Inc. said Wednesday that incoming orders declined dramatically in January, indicating that the shrinking economy has more pain in store for the industry.
    Chief executive John Chambers said the company, the world's largest maker of computer networking gear, saw progressively fewer orders as its latest quarter progressed. In November, orders were down 9 percent from the year before. In January, the drop was 20 percent.

    Cisco's fiscal second quarter ended Jan. 24, nearly a month after other technology companies that have reported their quarterly results recently. That means Cisco's results provide a window into future reports from the rest of the industry. Cisco is also sensitive to trends in the market because more than 80 percent of its revenue is from sales, rather than recurring service contracts.

    Chambers projected a 15 percent to 20 percent drop in revenue in the current quarter. That would put revenue at $7.8 billion to $8.3 billion, below the average estimate of $8.7 billion projected by analysts polled by Thomson Reuters.

    Cisco shares fell 48 cents, or 3 percent, in extended trading after Chamber's comments.

    Profit fell 27 percent in the just-ended quarter, but the company still beat Wall Street's lowered expectations.

    Net income in Cisco's the quarter was $1.5 billion, or 26 cents per share. That was down from $2.1 billion, or 33 cents per share, a year ago. Excluding items, earnings were 32 cents per share.

    Sales were $9.1 billion, down 7.5 percent from a year ago.

    Analysts had expected earnings of 30 cents per share on $9 billion in revenue.

    http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/090204/earns_cisco.html…

  • 1derY

    Typical Nortel under Z…The left hand doesn't seem to know what the right hand is doing…How come Z left it to the Mohamed “The Mouthpiece” to answer the press ?.

    Isn't this not important enough anymore for him to announce it to all the MEN employees first ???..Where is Phillip Morin, MEN President ?. I guess the Hackman might have jumped the gun early in his interview and forced his boss's hand…

    There are tons of people trying to get on the MEN boat after the announcment of the divestiture. Now that the anchor has dropped again, the undocking will start …here come the mad dash to the dryland before the axemen come onboard a-swinging !.

  • broadbandbill

    If it wasn’t so tragic, it would actually be comical how Z and his GEngsters have operated; rookies all around…–bb

  • Paycheck

    p*ss up and brewery springs to mind, lets be honest they have absolutely no idea what to do or how to do it. I have more faith in the administartors of the company than the BoD, and they know nothing about the telecoms industry, which is about 100% more than this shower we call execs!!

  • scalpcutter

    Agreed.

  • scalpcutter

    Let's look at this more closely.
    They use the word “suspended”.
    They won't use the word cancelled.
    Suspended means it could be resurrected.
    Typical Nortel Mister Dithers mentality.
    They keep everyone in the dark and treat all current employees as if they were all working on a project or product that has ilfe in it or life left in it. As in revenue or potential revenue in the near future.
    Just like them not telling people who they want to keep and their job is safe for now. They dither, dither, dither. Just like this announcement.
    People their doing powerpoints, researching or reading up on a product that isn't even going to sell, let alone make it to market but they won't tell these people thanks but no thanks. Keep them all painted with the same brush.
    So typical, naive, politically correct, non offending Canuckistanii.
    They must have took lessons from Paul Martin.
    Maybe Manley trained the BOD and mike how to execute the dither dance.
    It is no wonder somebody has not F***ing lost it at that place.

  • scalpcutter

    Why tell them?
    Telling them it is suspended???
    What does that mean?
    Suspended, a derivative of Suspense.
    That is the goal of the execs and management.
    Keep the peons in Suspense.

  • NortelMania

    Nortel is not selling. Hot off the presee –> http://uk.reuters.com/article/mnaNewsTechMediaT…

  • wasthere

    Come on it's clear and limpid. They were selling MEN because they desperately needed cash. Now they did find a much better way to preserve cash : fire people at no cost !

  • TongueInCheek

    Of course it has to be suspended, they're in Bankruptcy Protection where the courts and creditors must approve transactions of this scale. I do find it comical how some bash Nortel regardless of what they do. Bashing occurred at the first mention of looking for a transaction and bashing continues now that it has been suspended. I guess I shouldn't be surprised given the culture of this blog.

    Maybe Nortel employees need to be cautious these days. Given the number of people that desperately want to see Nortel and their employees bite the dust, personal safety concerns are starting to increase.

    At the end of the, all we can really do is await the release of the Plan or Reorganization to understand the next steps for Nortel. Anything but that is pure speculation.

  • NTHATER

    I cannot wait to see you losers get the axe next week. Powerpoint skills won't get you far in ther REAL world!!! They actually teach your only skill to the poor bastards in the unemployment line so at least you will be ahead of them. I have NO sympathy for you losers.

  • Theleftbehind

    YOU HAVE TO READ THIS

    Tab 2- Affidavit of John Doolittle

    page 45 and 46…. C$90 RESERVED FOR THE BoD AS COMPENSATION while the employees are left w/o severance packages

    CHECK THE LAST SENTENCE AT THE END.

    e. Directors' and Officers' Charge
    161. The Directors have been actively involved in Nortel's informal restructuring efforts to
    date. The Directors have been mindful of their duties with respect to the supervision and guidance of the Applicants in advance of these CCAA proceedings.
    162. It is anticipated that the ongoing day-to-day management of the Norte1 Companies will continue to be carried-out by the Applicants' existing management team. In order to continue to carryon business during the CCAA proceedings the Applicants require the active and committed involvement of their senior officers.
    163. The Applicants are seeking a CDN$90 million Directors & Officers' charge (the. “D&O Charge”), that would cover any director or officer liability for statutory obligations arising during the CCAA proceedings as well as the fees and expenses of their legal counsel.
    164. NNC, in an effort to secure the on-going services of the individuals who serve as its directors and officers and as directors and officers of organizations in which NNC has an interest and who are personally exposed to corporate liabilities, has established a directors' and officers' trust (the “D&O Trust”) in the amount of CDN$11,941,440 million. The ,purposes of the D&O Trust are to provide financial support for the defence and payment of claims against such directors and officers in their capacity as such to the extent that insurance maintained by NNC does not do so and NNC is unable to do so and
    for the maintenance of director and officer insurance.
    165. Each non-employee director of NNC and NNL had the right to elect to receive all or a portion of compensation for services rendered as a member of the Boards of Directors of NNC and NNL, any committee thereof, and as Board or committee chair, in the form of share units, in cash or in a combination of share units and cash under the Directors' Deferred Share Compensation Plans (the “Directors' Compensation Plans”) of NNC and NNL. To the extent share units were elected, the Director would receive no current cash compensation, but would instead be credited with a number of share units equal to cash
    compensation otherwise payable divided by the fair market value of a share on the date such cash would have otherwise been paid. Upon leaving the Boards of Directors, the Director would receive a number of shares equal to the number of shares units credited to the Director's account at that time. With some limited exceptions, all of the nonemployee Directors ofNNC and NNL had elected to receive their compensation in share units. Both for corporate governance reasons and pursuant to the terms of the Directors' Compensation Plan, elections for 2009 remain unchanged. As part of the relief sought,
    the Applicants are seeking the entitlement to pay the Directors their compensation in cash on a current basis, notwithstanding any outstanding elections, during the period in which the Directors continue as directors in the CCAA proceedings. Each Director's cash compensation will also be reduced by U.S.$25,000 per year. Without this relief, the Directors would essentially be providing services going forward for no compensation. I believe that in the circumstances it is fair for the Directors to receive cash compensation
    for their efforts during the restructuring since receipt of equity compensation is of
    questionable value.

  • horace_grimswold

    no one takes this company seriously any more

  • CatchNortel

    lol it appears that executives aren't sure what to do of MEN. May be they haven't found any buyers yet and that is why they are backing off. At this time, executives are so confused that they seriously do not know what should be the next steps. They still keep repeating their mistakes. Sometimes they want to focus on Enterprise and want Nortel to be slim. And now they want MEN to be part of strategic decision. Lameeeeee…..Huawei was interested in buying Nortel I guess but due to political reasons they din't pursue this deal. There was another Israel company ( I forgot the name) offered much less so they again could not go ahead with deal. I think its not a strategic decision but they are “forced” to make this decision of not selling MEN as “strategic”….. Good Luck

  • broadbandbill

    Isn't the Internet a wonderful invention? Thank you Vint…–bb

  • InTheRoundEye

    IMHO MEN was never “really” for sale, maybe for sale at a beyond market price, but was announced to calm the market when Nortel released poor numbers, obviously that didn't work. Would they have sold it for the rumored $3b offered by huawei if they could have? Wouldn't you!

  • drinking_the_koolaid

    No strategy, completely clueless.

    Nortel is filled with great technical people, but when it comes to Business and PLM team they are bunch of design rejects and amateurs with massive egos.

    Don’t waste your prime years in this company, it is not going anywhere but chapter 7, eventually.

  • Another_Nortel_Watcher

    The other show has dog crap on it. I'm saving it for Mike Z.

  • LonelyOpsGuy

    Yea yea yea. Blame it on the others. Total lack of strategy, inflated egos, silos all around, assault on ethics by executives and lack of understanding of the telecom business by ex-GE didn't harm the company. It's all the employees and bloggers fault, isn't it?

    GET REAL!

  • LonelyOpsGuy

    Yea yea yea. Blame it on the others. The assault on ethics, loss of morale in consequence of that, total lack of understanding of the telecom environment by the ex-GE, no technical strategy moving forward, silos all around and inflated egos did not harm the company at all. It's all the employees and bloggers fault.

    GET REAL, DUDE!

  • LonelyOpsGuy

    For me, other than the lack of overall strategy, this is the real explanation of why MEN was taken off the chopping block. There was no way to separate MEN as a distinct entity because of the internal confusion.

  • ITGuy

    I am genuinely amused to read the comments on here sometimes. The people on here are stating how completely self-evident it is that Nortel shouldn't be selling MEN whereas a month or two ago they were complaining that MEN wasn't being sold fast enough! Make up your mind people! It just goes to show that the majority of people on here are happy to criticize EVERY decision that Nortel makes at this point. I can appreciate well thought out, constructive criticism but criticism for its own sake just says more about the person making it than the object of the criticism.

  • http://nortelinsider.wordpress.com/ Desk Jockey

    Hypothetical video of how the executive would respond to the letter asking for severances:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGpP3dtwtdw

  • Teleguy

    This is totally untrue. The very reason MEN was put up for sale was that it is quite easy to sell it as an individual business. I can't think of one product that is not unique to that Line of Business.

  • horace_grimswold

    no one takes this company seriously any more.

  • Purpletip

    BB – couldn't agree more. Last fall I had a customer seriously interested in purchasing some MEN products. Once announcement that MEN was for sale hit, customer decided not to take the risk of purchasing. In my 25yrs of selling, I'd never encountered a situation where a company pre-announced a division was for sale without providing any specifics. Most companies know such an action would scare off customers and inject fear,uncertainty and doubt in the sales cycle that is already overly competitive. But as Mr. Hackney said in NW article, ” Nortel's Customer's Need Us” so I can only surmise that was the mindset used to pre-announce MEN sale. If the Nortel strategy was to confuse customers, stop orders and confirm to the outside world that Nortel's Execs operate from a knee jerk, tactical position, then they get a Over Achieve performance rating.

  • mapci

    Maybe Nortel was selling MEM, because it was the easiest to sell at the time. I mean wireless, enterprise and carrier have so many products and software that overlap. To me all these lines of business may need to be sold as one unit as breaking them up maybe very difficult.

  • NortelTragedy

    These are EXCELLENT videos … as sad as the situation is, they convey what is likely going on in the back office. Keep it up!

  • NortelTragedy

    Yes, the Internet is wonderful. More to the point, these messages will be here forever for the children and grandchildren of those responsible for the demise to see. Jesse Joel Hackney Jr. can read about how his dad punched a young woman. He'll then remember back to that night and to recall it himself. Kirk Zafirovski's kids can read about how grandpa brought a 116-year-old company to bankruptcy and robbed thousands their severance, insurance and pensions during the Recession of 2009-10. They can read about how their father's and grandfather's incompetency, greed, selfishness, lies, and lack of leadership led to the great downfall of Nortel and left behind so many in its wake.

  • less

    This is – or used to be – called “sarcasm”.

    So who shoud we aspire to emulate, Mike Z? He strings the same dozen or so buzzwords into the same chant over and over for the sake of painting rosy blue outlooks that have been consisently destructive.

    “Just hold on one more week, folks. We're buying to sell to buy a sale and are staying put to move forward overseas.”

    A mere month ago long-suffering Nortellians were wanting to see the company finally turn a profit again, so it seemed logical to them that Nortel doff any unprofitable businesses that were sucking their livelihood dry.

    And sure enough, Mikeypoo himself suggested gettng rid of MEN. His books said it sucked, quite officially.

    Now Nortel has instead decided to save money by doffing its employees and keeping the MEN nobody seemed to want all that much. That must mean its much better than the books disclosed. Its now obvious to Nortel that their books need to be fixed one more time, not MEN.

    Whats the slogan, there – Gun's dont kill people, people do. Therefore human error is keeping MEN down, not MEN itself. Its perfect.

  • protosphere

    Has anyone seen these clips on Nortel ?

    Utterly hysterical:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGpP3dtwtdw

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