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		<title>By: Clint</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/11/20/beefing-up-men/comment-page-1/#comment-31755</link>
		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It all starts with the Board.&lt;br&gt;They elect and approve of a Chief Executive Officer.&lt;br&gt;I believe the CEO then approves of CTO etc., but I am not sure of that?&lt;br&gt;Shit rolls downhill and the board has been spewing it out since they hired Roth.  Look who you have on the board.&lt;br&gt;Guys like John Manley.&lt;br&gt;Give me a break/fracture.&lt;br&gt;Until the board is abolished and injected with proper blood things will never, I repeat never improve at that place.&lt;br&gt;Best thing for NT at this juncture would be for it to be bought or dispersed/dissected.&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s the only way you will get rid of the board.&lt;br&gt;I doubt they&#039;ll walk away and recognize/admit their incompetencies.&lt;br&gt;Would you?&lt;br&gt;They&#039;ll just keep putting cash on the fire, and increase their solidarity and stubborness.&lt;br&gt;Just Like Scrooge. Christmas is just around the corner.&lt;br&gt;Will the ghosts visit?&lt;br&gt;We&#039;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all starts with the Board.<br />They elect and approve of a Chief Executive Officer.<br />I believe the CEO then approves of CTO etc., but I am not sure of that?<br />Shit rolls downhill and the board has been spewing it out since they hired Roth.  Look who you have on the board.<br />Guys like John Manley.<br />Give me a break/fracture.<br />Until the board is abolished and injected with proper blood things will never, I repeat never improve at that place.<br />Best thing for NT at this juncture would be for it to be bought or dispersed/dissected.<br />That&#39;s the only way you will get rid of the board.<br />I doubt they&#39;ll walk away and recognize/admit their incompetencies.<br />Would you?<br />They&#39;ll just keep putting cash on the fire, and increase their solidarity and stubborness.<br />Just Like Scrooge. Christmas is just around the corner.<br />Will the ghosts visit?<br />We&#39;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: Nortelguy</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/11/20/beefing-up-men/comment-page-1/#comment-31756</link>
		<dc:creator>Nortelguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Post.  You need to get this up to Mike / Darryl etc, as it echos the feelings of 30,000 employees precisely.  For me, 5 years was enough, so I handed my notice in a couple of months ago.  If you don&#039;t want to, email me &amp; I&#039;ll send it up &amp; bcc you (I&#039;m leaving anyway, so they can&#039;t fire me!!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post.  You need to get this up to Mike / Darryl etc, as it echos the feelings of 30,000 employees precisely.  For me, 5 years was enough, so I handed my notice in a couple of months ago.  If you don&#39;t want to, email me &#038; I&#39;ll send it up &#038; bcc you (I&#39;m leaving anyway, so they can&#39;t fire me!!!)</p>
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		<title>By: Another Nortel Watcher</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/11/20/beefing-up-men/comment-page-1/#comment-31757</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Nortel Watcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!  Hang in there.  I think the current cabinet will be purged inside six months.  This will unfortunately cause some disruption and churn, but it&#039;s necessary.  Good luck and let&#039;s hear more from you as events progress!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!  Hang in there.  I think the current cabinet will be purged inside six months.  This will unfortunately cause some disruption and churn, but it&#39;s necessary.  Good luck and let&#39;s hear more from you as events progress!</p>
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		<title>By: many</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/11/20/beefing-up-men/comment-page-1/#comment-31760</link>
		<dc:creator>many</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TeraBit Interceptor? Wasn&#039;t that part of Neptune?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TeraBit Interceptor? Wasn&#39;t that part of Neptune?</p>
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		<title>By: puddintane</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/11/20/beefing-up-men/comment-page-1/#comment-31761</link>
		<dc:creator>puddintane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its the same with a terminally ill friend - (when) do you let go? Do you (ever) let them let go? Do you spare no expense to keep them alive cuz &quot;its only money&quot;, even if that life is pure misery for everyone and better spent on orphans in Africa?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ted Kennedy didn&#039;t wear his trademark cocksure face as he left the  hospital, but he&#039;s since been hailed a national treasure by his much more lifeless than he a$$-kissers, and even regained some of his swagger.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He should be squaring away his stuff instead of playing God, jr. He&#039;s dead meat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its the same with a terminally ill friend &#8211; (when) do you let go? Do you (ever) let them let go? Do you spare no expense to keep them alive cuz &#8220;its only money&#8221;, even if that life is pure misery for everyone and better spent on orphans in Africa?</p>
<p>Ted Kennedy didn&#39;t wear his trademark cocksure face as he left the  hospital, but he&#39;s since been hailed a national treasure by his much more lifeless than he a$$-kissers, and even regained some of his swagger.</p>
<p>He should be squaring away his stuff instead of playing God, jr. He&#39;s dead meat.</p>
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		<title>By: broadbandbill</title>
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		<dc:creator>broadbandbill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!! I strongly advise you send this to the (very) top, they need to hear what guys like you are thinking. You are a gem....--bb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!! I strongly advise you send this to the (very) top, they need to hear what guys like you are thinking. You are a gem&#8230;.&#8211;bb</p>
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		<title>By: Desk Jockey</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/11/20/beefing-up-men/comment-page-1/#comment-31759</link>
		<dc:creator>Desk Jockey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to share, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That was one of the best posts on AAN I have yet to see.  You are completely correct in your assessment and I suspect there are many loyal NT employees who echo your exact sentiments.  The failed idea of bringing in &quot;new blood&quot; and ignoring the very real concerns of those who had broke their backs building this company only to see it tore apart by outsiders.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The current problem with MZ and his executive team is that they were arrogant.  They thought they &quot;knew it all&quot; and that their GEnius experience counted for everything.  They came in here with their delusional predispositions and believed that they would change Nortel into a Jack Welsh wet dream and they would get all the credit for this.  This was confirmed by the introduction of ridiculous lean sucks sigma initiatives and the even more preposterous use of ninja black belts with no real work except to make things harder for the rank and file.  Even today they still hold these beliefs, having spent so much time deceiving others that they have deceived themselves!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However there are many even outside of Nortel who don&#039;t want this to change.  I am referring to the &quot;investors&quot; aka pumpers of NT (&quot;Should have Sold in Feb 2004&quot;, and Psychiatrist, you know who you are!) who bought in because of the lies they believed and who now have a vested interest to suppress the truth so that their NT stock will go up a few more pennies!  These people now want to cover up all missteps by management and instead choose to live in a fantasy world where the only thing wrong with NT is media bias! These people will roundly criticize you as being a lazy or not loyal employee and instead put the company&#039;s failures on YOU, not upper management! Unfortunately as the stock price falls AAN seems to be dominated by more and more of these pumpers who endlessly attack Mr. Evans et al for even daring to speak the truth.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Do not worry though - the truth will always come out.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best wishes, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Desk Jockey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to share, </p>
<p>That was one of the best posts on AAN I have yet to see.  You are completely correct in your assessment and I suspect there are many loyal NT employees who echo your exact sentiments.  The failed idea of bringing in &#8220;new blood&#8221; and ignoring the very real concerns of those who had broke their backs building this company only to see it tore apart by outsiders.</p>
<p>The current problem with MZ and his executive team is that they were arrogant.  They thought they &#8220;knew it all&#8221; and that their GEnius experience counted for everything.  They came in here with their delusional predispositions and believed that they would change Nortel into a Jack Welsh wet dream and they would get all the credit for this.  This was confirmed by the introduction of ridiculous lean sucks sigma initiatives and the even more preposterous use of ninja black belts with no real work except to make things harder for the rank and file.  Even today they still hold these beliefs, having spent so much time deceiving others that they have deceived themselves!</p>
<p>However there are many even outside of Nortel who don&#39;t want this to change.  I am referring to the &#8220;investors&#8221; aka pumpers of NT (&#8220;Should have Sold in Feb 2004&#8243;, and Psychiatrist, you know who you are!) who bought in because of the lies they believed and who now have a vested interest to suppress the truth so that their NT stock will go up a few more pennies!  These people now want to cover up all missteps by management and instead choose to live in a fantasy world where the only thing wrong with NT is media bias! These people will roundly criticize you as being a lazy or not loyal employee and instead put the company&#39;s failures on YOU, not upper management! Unfortunately as the stock price falls AAN seems to be dominated by more and more of these pumpers who endlessly attack Mr. Evans et al for even daring to speak the truth.</p>
<p>Do not worry though &#8211; the truth will always come out.  </p>
<p>Best wishes, </p>
<p>Desk Jockey</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/11/20/beefing-up-men/comment-page-1/#comment-5721</link>
		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It all starts with the Board.&lt;br&gt;They elect and approve of a Chief Executive Officer.&lt;br&gt;I believe the CEO then approves of CTO etc., but I am not sure of that?&lt;br&gt;Shit rolls downhill and the board has been spewing it out since they hired Roth.  Look who you have on the board.&lt;br&gt;Guys like John Manley.&lt;br&gt;Give me a break/fracture.&lt;br&gt;Until the board is abolished and injected with proper blood things will never, I repeat never improve at that place.&lt;br&gt;Best thing for NT at this juncture would be for it to be bought or dispersed/dissected.&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s the only way you will get rid of the board.&lt;br&gt;I doubt they&#039;ll walk away and recognize/admit their incompetencies.&lt;br&gt;Would you?&lt;br&gt;They&#039;ll just keep putting cash on the fire, and increase their solidarity and stubborness.&lt;br&gt;Just Like Scrooge. Christmas is just around the corner.&lt;br&gt;Will the ghosts visit?&lt;br&gt;We&#039;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all starts with the Board.<br />They elect and approve of a Chief Executive Officer.<br />I believe the CEO then approves of CTO etc., but I am not sure of that?<br />Shit rolls downhill and the board has been spewing it out since they hired Roth.  Look who you have on the board.<br />Guys like John Manley.<br />Give me a break/fracture.<br />Until the board is abolished and injected with proper blood things will never, I repeat never improve at that place.<br />Best thing for NT at this juncture would be for it to be bought or dispersed/dissected.<br />That&#39;s the only way you will get rid of the board.<br />I doubt they&#39;ll walk away and recognize/admit their incompetencies.<br />Would you?<br />They&#39;ll just keep putting cash on the fire, and increase their solidarity and stubborness.<br />Just Like Scrooge. Christmas is just around the corner.<br />Will the ghosts visit?<br />We&#39;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: Nortelguy</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/11/20/beefing-up-men/comment-page-1/#comment-5724</link>
		<dc:creator>Nortelguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Post.  You need to get this up to Mike / Darryl etc, as it echos the feelings of 30,000 employees precisely.  For me, 5 years was enough, so I handed my notice in a couple of months ago.  If you don&#039;t want to, email me &amp; I&#039;ll send it up &amp; bcc you (I&#039;m leaving anyway, so they can&#039;t fire me!!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post.  You need to get this up to Mike / Darryl etc, as it echos the feelings of 30,000 employees precisely.  For me, 5 years was enough, so I handed my notice in a couple of months ago.  If you don&#39;t want to, email me &#038; I&#39;ll send it up &#038; bcc you (I&#39;m leaving anyway, so they can&#39;t fire me!!!)</p>
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		<title>By: Another Nortel Watcher</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/11/20/beefing-up-men/comment-page-1/#comment-5726</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Nortel Watcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!  Hang in there.  I think the current cabinet will be purged inside six months.  This will unfortunately cause some disruption and churn, but it&#039;s necessary.  Good luck and let&#039;s hear more from you as events progress!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!  Hang in there.  I think the current cabinet will be purged inside six months.  This will unfortunately cause some disruption and churn, but it&#39;s necessary.  Good luck and let&#39;s hear more from you as events progress!</p>
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