Guest Post: Duncan Stewart

Nortel’s Q3 results are out, and they are just about as rough as I expected in terms of how the company did and what the immediate future looks like. On the other hand, the company was far more tentative than I expected in terms of strategy, divisions for sale, JVs, etc.

Let’s start with the financials and operating results – and I will just hit the highlights (…or lowlights!)

Operating Loss – Headlines aside, they didn’t REALLY lose US$6.85 a share. Most of that was goodwill and tax write-downs, and doesn’t matter much in the short or even long term. These are non-cash charges. If you back all that stuff out they lost somewhere between $0.30-$0.40 per share.

(A dime of the losses Nortel classifies as ‘special charges’ and should not be counted. I say that any charge that re-occurs on every quarter for the last 4 years and into the foreseeable future is a real loss!)

Cash Flow – Some heroic work by CFO Pavi Binning on working capital meant that cash loss from operations in Q3 was ‘only’ $144 million. Given how tough the quarter was it could have been much worse.

Cash Balance – Nortel had guided that cash balance would about $2.6B, and it was $2.3B. It ain’t a happy thing, but they had about $360 million in The Reserve Primary Fund which recently broke the buck and froze redemptions due to Lehman and the ongoing crisis.

I am not going to get too fussed by that – they will get most of that money back by 2011 when they need to start repaying the debt.

2009 Cash Use – We didn’t get full clarity, but it looks like Nortel will need to spend about $1.2B in cash for various things (restructuring, pension, debt payments, capex, cash taxes.) Which means that in order for their cash balances not to go down, they would need to generate more than that in other ways. Leaving aside asset sales, I don’t see how that is possible.

CDMA – This is (in my view) the killer. In the past few years Nortel’s CDMA division has been kicking out almost a billion per year in operating profits – it was the division that kept the company afloat. It wasn’t the ‘future’ of Nortel, but it was a cash cow. In June I asked management what would happen if CDMA revenues declined abruptly, and they said they saw it declining at 3% per year.

In Q3, those revenues dropped 30% yoy – or about 10x as rapidly. Eek. Some of that is due to the “one time” effect of the global financial crisis, but a lot of it is due to CDMA becoming the Hydrox of the chocolate cookie with vanilla icing world.

Strategy – None of it matters. The reorg is classic “rearrangement of deck chairs on the Titanic”, the staff cuts are modest and won’t get the company to profitability, the four execs thrown over the side will neither help nor hurt the company before 2011 debt repayments come due, putting services into the operating divisions will make them easier to sell piecemeal (but in this market no one is buying), we have no visibility on an MEN sale (or price), no insight on a possible wireless JV, and a takeaway that management doesn’t know how bad Q4 and 2009 might get. I am not bitching at them for that – no one knows how bad 2009 will be. But Nortel is in a tough spot and of all the telecom equipment OEM’s they are the weakest horse in the field.

Bottom Line – The company (and its industry) are facing headwinds that are as bad or even worse than 2000/2001.They will save some money from restructuring and cost controls – but in my view Nortel will see its cash balances decline by about roughly $1B in 2009 (it could be even worse.)

I also think the company will lose money at the EPS and operating margin lines – maybe a $250 million op margin loss for the whole year? (they have not given guidance so this is purely and educated guess with a bucket of assumptions.)

If they can sell MEN for a decent amount or come up with a creative way of handling wireless, they may be able to be a weak enterprise only player. If they do not do something on the M&A front the death spiral will intensify and customers will begin to defect at an increasing space, making losses even worse, cash flow more negative, etc.

Which is not to say that investors might not make money on the thing. Trading at roughly US$1, it could be broken up and might yield a decent return. In 1981 in West Vancouver my neighbour up the street had a cool-looking 1972 Super Beetle. It was under a tarp, and hadn’t run for 5 years. I offered him a bottle of single malt (Glenfiddich, $28) and my dad and I dragged it (the wheels didn’t rotate) 100 yards down the hill to our driveway.

It never ran again, but I took it to pieces and sold the various bits for a cumulative $800. Which, if I ignore the cost of the VW manual, various tools, hundreds of hours of my (and my Dad’s) time and the scratched cornea I got when a chunk of metal fell in my eye – is about a 2800% return!

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  • exnt2

    here is an article on what I am talking about.

    http://skloverworkingwisdom.com/blog/index.php/…

  • Tongue.In.Cheek

    How in the world do you come up with a Cash Burn value of $2.3 Billion in 2009? Most analysts are suggesting around $800 Million. How do you get to a number approx. 300% greater than the worst case analyst projections?

    Duncan … if you are reading this, can you offer any reasonable explanation on how Nortel could burn $2.3 Billion in cash in 12 months? Seems to me to be a very far fetched assumption from an ex-Nortel employee with a grudge.

  • exnt2

    300 mill a quarter which is 1.2 billion + debt payments + deferred taxes + accounts payable etc. read the income statement and cash flow staements before you start posting.

    even if you go to 800 million like you said they are still out of cash.

    I dont have a grudge as you incorrectly point out. Just portraying whats likely to happen.

    also to add there are pension woes too if chapter 11 does happen. it could result in claims getting 15 cents per dollar.

  • Tongue.In.Cheek

    You're blowing smoke. Let's look at any deal and how cash works from the deal. Nortel earns revenue and receives cash from the customer. There is Cost Of Goods Sold, which is the expense cost of raw materials etc. to build the product. That cost is part of Accounts Payable and paid from the proceeds of the deal. Revenue – COGS = Gross Margin. We know that Nortel gets about 40% Gross Margin across their deals.

    Now what to do with that 40% Gross Margin that comes in as cash. They pay debt interest as there is no meaningful debt payment due until July, 2011. On Deferred Taxes, I'm not sure exactly how that works, nor do I fully understand the tax burden on a company reporting a loss. That was part of the Tax Credit writedown yesterday right.

    Your assumptions essentially draw the conclusion that Nortel will not gain much revenue and essentially zero Gross Margin for your forecast to be true. It is pretty clear to see that would be a clearly false statement.

  • ian stewart

    Actually, getting the old VW was an attempt to provide Duncan with some cheap transportation to UBC. But it turned out that the whole underside of the car was rotted out, so we switched to taking it apart so he could learn how a car works, as he was thinking of becoming an engineer.The sale of the parts idea came along last, and might be one reason he is in the securities game.

  • duncan

    There is, after all, a long and noble history of UBC Engineers doing things to old Volkswagens!

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2001/02/05/bridg…

  • duncan

    Most analysts are thinking around $800 million cash burn. I am a bit more pessimistic and think it could be closer to $1B…but I have some unusually negative views on the global economy, CDMA and telecom spending.

    One reason where exnt2 might be going wrong is annualizing the Q3 numbers. From a CASH perspective they got hit with a couple of things that a (for a change) truly unusual. Plus Q3 is historically a weak quarter in terms of cash cycle, Plus NT has a fair chunk of deferred revenue flowing through the income statement. Those 'revenues' are real…but they cash for them was received some time ago. In other words, as these deferred revenues drop off the QUALITY (from a cash generating perspective) of NT's revenues will increase.

    Does that help?

  • The Psychiatrist

    Duncan

    I don't agree with your valuation of Nortel's business units

    you assume value of the ES unit at about $2B(Avaya-like multiple) but Avaya was actually taken private at about 1.7 x sales or $8.2 B.Nortel's ES revenue is about $2.5B,if we applied an Avaya multiple- Nortel's ES would fetch just over $4B double your figure.Furthermore with MEN being a growing division at least longer term,then it deserves a multiple of at least 1 x sales or about $1.5 .You also said that Nortel's customers would start defecting at an increased pace-if you look at their book to bill for MEN it came in at 1.08 which indicates strong growth,in other words even with the announced intention of wanting to sell MEN,their book to bill would indicate anything but defection.

    Nortel's CDMA business,although a dying one is worth more to Nortel than what they could get selling it,after all any interesested buyers could use the -well this is a business on the decline argument to pay next to nothing for it-an good analogy for this would be my older car that I have where I just spent $3k on it and its listed value is not more than $2800,but since I kept this car in good shape from the very beginning I know that the $3k I spent on it will serve me better by driving it to the end than trying to get that back with a sale of the car.

    Finally there is the issue with Nortel's deferred tax assets which stood at $6.8B as of Sept 30/08,I believe that with the right buyer some of these deferred tax assets could be of good use and represent value if propperly applied.

    The cash burn for me is still an unknown for many obvious reasons and with the latest restructuring,this should help alleviate some of this concern to the tune of $400 million according to Nortel.

    You seem to have used a bare bones calculation on valuation and I can't blame you after all you have a sell side point of view,but I beg to differ and feel that if Nortel could manage through this period reasonably well,then I think they could get better value for their units when the credit markets ease up.

  • exnt2

    you forgot a major expnse – your salary. 40% GM goes to pay R&D, SG&A each at roughly 20% of sales and other expenses. cash flow negative buddy. cash flow negative. find out one statement in the past 5 years where they were cash flow positive. maybe the one where Z got his little bonus.

    Revenue has already fallen to below 10 billion and will continue in steep decline. are you one of those who estimate 3% YoY CDMA decline when it is 30%. ooops. ouch hurts does it not.

    With capital expenses now at a minimum, MEN sales delayed due to long sale process and CDMA going down faster than a rock, no major LTE deployment for a couple of years, I'd say a really optimistic forecast is 9 billion. more likely 7-8 billion. if the economy is as bad or worse than it is, this could even tank to 6-7 billion. the middle line, interest, taxes etc. still remain the same.

    some of nortels largest customers are gone. morgan stanley, bear stearns, lehman. thats a lot of accounts receivable that will get written off. there are more bankruptcies coming and unless there is a way to get payment, there definitely will be a lot more bad debt.

    It clearly looks like Pavi is cleaning house with two back to back quarters of heavy losses. So the writing is pretty much on the wall.

    Disagree with Duncan. Usually Q3 and Q4 are strongest quarters for Nortel. Q3 really tanked big time. Q4 will be as good or worse around $2 or 2.3 billion.

  • Lonely Ops Guy

    Proto:
    When Joel “The Womanizer” Hackney got on board, during his very first Vegas Sales Conference, this was the first thing he brought up in that stage. That he was going to simplify supply chain and reduce the 60K PEC codes to something around 20K in the next year or two. This was back in 2005. I have to confess that I believed him for a while. I should have noticed that something was wrong when he start pursuing the 48 hours metrics. From there, it was downhill……..
    What a shame……

  • Lonely Ops Guy

    Mr. Real:
    That's an excellent start. Drop the Carrier business, drop 20K staff and focus on Enterprise business where, if NT acts quickly, it might stand a small chance.

  • Lonely Ops Guy

    Mr. Real
    “when you give someone a good idea for free, it's never good enough.”
    I agree 100%. I too, have sent numerous suggestions via “channels” that would supposedly reach the higher echelons. Never heard back anything.
    What a shame………

  • yes4aapl

    Plus NT has a fair chunk of deferred revenue flowing through the income statement. Those 'revenues' are real…but they cash for them was received some time ago. In other words, as these deferred revenues drop off the QUALITY (from a cash generating perspective) of NT's revenues will increase.
    =======
    re
    In 2008 Nortel_CFO recognized around $1.3 Bill in deferred revenues. Some of them /how much?/ were placed into def. rev section during restatements of 2000-2003
    In those restatements Nortel placed $3.5Bill into deferred revenues.
    Question is
    Where is missing $2.5 bill or more in deferred revenues?
    Did deferred revenue recognition misled public_analysts about real business in 2008?
    In other words
    If 2008 were as good as Mike Z tried to paint it why Nortel is in BK now? Class action law suit is real.
    Parliament wants to know about bonuses in 2008 and I guess in 2009.
    What was the Word?
    Summon
    Summon

  • heidimarie

    I am researching the history of the Duncan Stewart & Co in so far as its interests in Cuban sugar refinery, in specific Camaguey (1880-1920) and also in specific to Duncan (1846-1904) and his sister Christina (1841) Stewart born of Peter (1804-1864)and Elisabeth (1811) Stewart. I am wondering if you are related to that branch of the family. There is a John Stewart (b. abt. 1836 Kincardine) born of Peter’s second wife, Janet (1814) while she was married to Peter’s brother. I am trying to discover more about him. I believe he was a close friend of my great grandmother, Emily Blackwell (1854-1937), who, it has been demonstrated or suggested, lived at one time or another in Dorchester, NB; Moncton, NB; Montreal, QC; Roanoke, VA; Lynn, MA; Savannah, GA; La Gloria, Camaguey, Cuba; and Fort Wayne, IN.

    Thank you for your time in reading this. I hope you can help me.

    Kind regards,
    Heidi-Marie Blackwell

    Lauzun, France
    heidi-marie@blackwellstudios.com

  • heidimarie

    I am researching the history of the Duncan Stewart & Co in so far as its interests in Cuban sugar refinery, in specific Camaguey (1880-1920) and also in specific to Duncan (1846-1904) and his sister Christina (1841) Stewart born of Peter (1804-1864)and Elisabeth (1811) Stewart. I am wondering if you are related to that branch of the family. There is a John Stewart (b. abt. 1836 Kincardine) born of Peter’s second wife, Janet (1814) while she was married to Peter’s brother. I am trying to discover more about him. I believe he was a close friend of my great grandmother, Emily Blackwell (1854-1937), who, it has been demonstrated or suggested, lived at one time or another in Dorchester, NB; Moncton, NB; Montreal, QC; Roanoke, VA; Lynn, MA; Savannah, GA; La Gloria, Camaguey, Cuba; and Fort Wayne, IN.

    Thank you for your time in reading this. I hope you can help me.

    Kind regards,
    Heidi-Marie Blackwell

    Lauzun, France
    heidi-marie@blackwellstudios.com

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