Comments on: Nortel’s Pension Woes

By: ltd_sleeper

ltd_sleeper — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 08:49:16 +0000

We have a yahoo group for ltd people from Nortel...

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/NNLTDS

By: ltd_sleeper

ltd_sleeper — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 03:49:16 +0000

We have a yahoo group for ltd people from Nortel...

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/NNLTDS

By: nortelsucks

nortelsucks — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:51:03 +0000

Just got word that the “non-qualfied” pension payments are going to stop. 18 years there and this is the resolution of the gross mis-mangement.

By: alixs

alixs — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:54:41 +0000

I've worked at Nortel for 21 years, but went on LTD 6 years ago. I'm still on it, as it brings in more money than a pension would. What should I do??

By: Jim

Jim — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:52:15 +0000

I am a 26 year veteran of Nortel and am faced with a decision to leave the company now with a severance package that will compensate me thru 3Q09 at which time I would elect to receive a lump sum pension. I am considering this because there are no assurances that a severance package would exist if I waited another year. The risk, of course, is would that pension still be avaialble. Even if I do elect to leave now and collect my pension in 3Q09 what assurances do I have that it will be there then?

By: Dawn

Dawn — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:06:55 +0000

You are way off the mark here if you think that anyone on pension is filthy rich. I've been on pension since 2002 and am struggling to make ends meet after working at Nortel for 25 years. I think that anyone on a Nortel pension should be concerned about their future given the current state of Nortel and the current downturn in the global economy.

By: Clint

Clint — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:17:00 +0000

Look Dick Jockey.
Bail out, pull the rip cord and let's all hope an ez bake oven flies out.

By: yes4aapl

yes4aapl — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:39:30 +0000

My understanding is that you get your pension checks from the Pension Plan.
NT Pension Plan has a deficit.
Nortel has to address the deficit each and every year.
It's a fact that the deficit doubled or maybe even tripled lately. Who knows?
In the worst case scenario you will still get 80 cents or more on a dollar.
Nortel is still loaded with cash and the law is on your side.
Nortel has to pay even if it would be the last $1 bill of cash Nortel has.
that article deals with the subjecy
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/doc...
Duncan posted his view about PP deficit.
Hi Guys,

As a long time CFA, let me throw my two cents worth in.

The potential increase in the unfunded/underfunded amount of NT's pension is important in two ways: (this is assuming the accounting rules don't change)

1) As the pension deficit increases, under current rules Nortel would need to throw some more cash into the kitty. It wouldn't be REALLY huge, but assuming the numbers above it might mean Nortel would need to commit an additional $200-$400 million in cash (all figures in US$) over the next year to the pension plan. That will not tip the company into insolvency -- they ought to have about $1.6B in cash at the end of Q3. That being said, they have way less cash than most of their peers, they have better uses for cash than pension deficits, and every time they spend cash they make the bondholders worried. There are no covenants on the NT debt, so they can't be forced into bankruptcy, but irritating your bondholders is seldom a good idea and it can also upset customers.

2) One of the possible endgames for Nortel is that it might get bought. But an acquirer looks at ALL the long term assets and debts of the target company. So although NT has a market cap of $620 million and cash of roughly $1.6B, they also have debt of about $4.5B AND a pension deficit of (let's say) $2.5B.

The higher the pension deficit, the less cash an acquirer would pay to Nortel common shareholders.

If that is unclear please post and I will try to explain anything I was confusing on.

Duncan
His correction of numbers
Profound apologies -- my fat fingers made a typo. Nortel net debt of around $2B is the right figure -- $4.5B LT Debt minus $2.6B of cash (est) at the end of Q3 (but cash should go up in Q4 mgmt suggests.)

Duncan
Link
http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/11/02/nortel...
and my update
Nortel expects cash at $2.4bill on Dec 31 2008
Analysts expect $1 bill cash burn in next 12 months
More important question is
How big is NT Pension Fund? $8 bill? 10bill?
12 bill?

I said I would not look for that number. If the most important things are neglectable here, so be it.

By: Desk Jockey

Desk Jockey — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:59:58 +0000

Heaven forbid anyone should ask a question and upset you on your toy throne. Give me a break. She was just concerned about money she had worked hard to earn and money that pays the bills. Just because these are things you'd never have to worry about doesn't mean they are of no concern to everyone

By: Clint

Clint — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:23:15 +0000

I have to say that is a real stupid question.
If You have been drawing a pension since 92 you are filthy rich.
Times did not even get bad at NT till 2000, and I personally know people who retired or were so close to retirement after 2k that the company just gave them a golden parachute, much like the one you got.
The people that are really affected by the NT of today are the young people and the ones who are near retirement.
With all due respect this is the wrong place and the wrong time to pose a question like that. Kind of like King Henry Eighth wondering why he was only served 10 chicken breasts rather than 11.
Get serious.
Just to retire today with a pension is a bonus let alone somebody who has been drawing one for 16 years.