Comments on: “Challenging” = Tough Times http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/08/01/challenging-tough-times/ All the News about Nortel Networks Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:34:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Nortel watcher http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/08/01/challenging-tough-times/comment-page-1/#comment-31848 Nortel watcher Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:03:00 +0000 http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/08/01/challenging-tough-times/#comment-31848 If it wasn't clear before, it certainly is now. Mike Z. and his GEniuses can no longer aim for a 3 to 5-yr turnaround for Nortel. This ship may not even turn around at all despite who's at the helm. The laundry list is so damn long for this company! If it wasn't clear before, it certainly is now. Mike Z. and his GEniuses can no longer aim for a 3 to 5-yr turnaround for Nortel. This ship may not even turn around at all despite who's at the helm. The laundry list is so damn long for this company!

]]> By: Nortel watcher http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/08/01/challenging-tough-times/comment-page-1/#comment-7041 Nortel watcher Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:03:00 +0000 http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/08/01/challenging-tough-times/#comment-7041 If it wasn't clear before, it certainly is now. Mike Z. and his GEniuses can no longer aim for a 3 to 5-yr turnaround for Nortel. This ship may not even turn around at all despite who's at the helm. The laundry list is so damn long for this company! If it wasn't clear before, it certainly is now. Mike Z. and his GEniuses can no longer aim for a 3 to 5-yr turnaround for Nortel. This ship may not even turn around at all despite who's at the helm. The laundry list is so damn long for this company!

]]> By: less http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/08/01/challenging-tough-times/comment-page-1/#comment-7042 less Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:52:08 +0000 http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/08/01/challenging-tough-times/#comment-7042 <i>Having either one of these conditions is something that cannot compare to working at a flailing company.</i><br><br>See, now you purport to speak for the afflicted masses, feeling their pain. Having either one of these conditions is something that cannot compare to working at a flailing company.

See, now you purport to speak for the afflicted masses, feeling their pain.

]]> By: less http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/08/01/challenging-tough-times/comment-page-1/#comment-7043 less Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:42:06 +0000 http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/08/01/challenging-tough-times/#comment-7043 This is oldest hat by now: Yer buddy Marx said "religion is opiate of the masses". Sure enough, if you go to most any place of worship you'll find "irrefutable proof" of this.<br><br>But then if you go to a NASCAR race you'll find fast cars, too, are the opiate of masses, global warming be damned. Normally intelligent men and women worship overpaid basketball stars while ogling rubber-boobed cheerleaders. <br>The ever-trusting masses just forked over $14 mio to see exclusive pics of Angelina and Brad's (no introduction or surnames necessary; they're old friends) twins. I'm supposed idenitify with these masses?<br><br>You (in the guise of "we") persist in turning the masses on to the opiate of victimization. This is oldest hat by now: Yer buddy Marx said “religion is opiate of the masses”. Sure enough, if you go to most any place of worship you'll find “irrefutable proof” of this.

But then if you go to a NASCAR race you'll find fast cars, too, are the opiate of masses, global warming be damned. Normally intelligent men and women worship overpaid basketball stars while ogling rubber-boobed cheerleaders.
The ever-trusting masses just forked over $14 mio to see exclusive pics of Angelina and Brad's (no introduction or surnames necessary; they're old friends) twins. I'm supposed idenitify with these masses?

You (in the guise of “we”) persist in turning the masses on to the opiate of victimization.

]]> By: Observer http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/08/01/challenging-tough-times/comment-page-1/#comment-7044 Observer Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:38:52 +0000 http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/08/01/challenging-tough-times/#comment-7044 <i>Yep. The masses were seduced, even forced to binge on lifestyles far beyond their means.</i><br><br>Seduced yes. Forced no. The mistake people make is trusting the system. The powers that be leverage the system to their advantage based people's trust. Don't trust the system. Use cash. Don't buy anything you don't need. Take delivery of some gold and silver coins. Don't trust the banking, government or any other centralized system. Yep. The masses were seduced, even forced to binge on lifestyles far beyond their means.

Seduced yes. Forced no. The mistake people make is trusting the system. The powers that be leverage the system to their advantage based people's trust. Don't trust the system. Use cash. Don't buy anything you don't need. Take delivery of some gold and silver coins. Don't trust the banking, government or any other centralized system.

]]> By: Observer http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/08/01/challenging-tough-times/comment-page-1/#comment-7045 Observer Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:29:22 +0000 http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/08/01/challenging-tough-times/#comment-7045 <i>I'd never before worked for a company that developed autism via Tourette's Syndrome. </i><br><br>Can't get much poorer in taste or sensitivity than this. If you think having either one of these is something to use as a metaphor for an ailing telecom company, you are sorely out of touch with reality. Having either one of these conditions is something that cannot compare to working at a flailing company. I'd never before worked for a company that developed autism via Tourette's Syndrome.

Can't get much poorer in taste or sensitivity than this. If you think having either one of these is something to use as a metaphor for an ailing telecom company, you are sorely out of touch with reality. Having either one of these conditions is something that cannot compare to working at a flailing company.

]]> By: puddintane http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/08/01/challenging-tough-times/comment-page-1/#comment-7046 puddintane Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:25:28 +0000 http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/08/01/challenging-tough-times/#comment-7046 "Sadly none of it had ot happen as the economy has been victimized by the largest credit binge in the history of time"<br><br>Yep. The masses were seduced, even forced to binge on lifestyles far beyond their means. “Sadly none of it had ot happen as the economy has been victimized by the largest credit binge in the history of time”

Yep. The masses were seduced, even forced to binge on lifestyles far beyond their means.

]]> By: puddintane http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/08/01/challenging-tough-times/comment-page-1/#comment-7047 puddintane Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:21:08 +0000 http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/08/01/challenging-tough-times/#comment-7047 I feel that every (good) company I've worked thus far had a distinct identity, a personality, but I'd never before worked for a company that developed autism via Tourette's Syndrome. <br>When Nortel brass took to "leveraging strategic synergies to source new paradigms", as the spending continued to spike while their stock continued to fall I knew something was amiss. "Paradigms. Leverage more paradgims. Definitely paradigms." <br>Mike Z is pretty aloof. Neither he nor his cheeerleaders ever graced the labs I once worked in. They had us turn down/off lights to save electricity as our comrade Indians and Chinese arrived to learn the ropes of DMS and meet the new IBM guys.<br><br>If your partner did this to you what would you call it? I feel that every (good) company I've worked thus far had a distinct identity, a personality, but I'd never before worked for a company that developed autism via Tourette's Syndrome.
When Nortel brass took to “leveraging strategic synergies to source new paradigms”, as the spending continued to spike while their stock continued to fall I knew something was amiss. “Paradigms. Leverage more paradgims. Definitely paradigms.”
Mike Z is pretty aloof. Neither he nor his cheeerleaders ever graced the labs I once worked in. They had us turn down/off lights to save electricity as our comrade Indians and Chinese arrived to learn the ropes of DMS and meet the new IBM guys.

If your partner did this to you what would you call it?

]]> By: Observer http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/08/01/challenging-tough-times/comment-page-1/#comment-7048 Observer Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:12:11 +0000 http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/08/01/challenging-tough-times/#comment-7048 Does anyone think Mike Z's comment about consolidation was begging someone to buy Nortel. It sounded quite desperate. Now that the economy is going to hell, there be mass layoffs again at all companies including Cisco and Juniper. Sadly none of it had ot happen as the economy has been victimized by the largest credit binge in the history of time. Now that is unwinding and everyone will suffer the consequences. Does anyone think Mike Z's comment about consolidation was begging someone to buy Nortel. It sounded quite desperate. Now that the economy is going to hell, there be mass layoffs again at all companies including Cisco and Juniper. Sadly none of it had ot happen as the economy has been victimized by the largest credit binge in the history of time. Now that is unwinding and everyone will suffer the consequences.

]]> By: Nortel watcher http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/08/01/challenging-tough-times/comment-page-1/#comment-7049 Nortel watcher Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:01:43 +0000 http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/08/01/challenging-tough-times/#comment-7049 Lonely opps,<br>I know a couple of people of the 30K left...these guys have been there between 15 and 17 yrs and are pulling about $160K judging from their lifestyles...I can tell you that they are as carefree as one could be with regards to cars, homes, vacations, etc. You would think they work for Cisco or Juniper and not Nortel...<br><br>I guess what I'm trying to say is that you seem to be one of the few Nortelians that have a conscience and don't want to see it all go to hell on a handbasket....good luck man! Lonely opps,
I know a couple of people of the 30K left…these guys have been there between 15 and 17 yrs and are pulling about $160K judging from their lifestyles…I can tell you that they are as carefree as one could be with regards to cars, homes, vacations, etc. You would think they work for Cisco or Juniper and not Nortel…

I guess what I'm trying to say is that you seem to be one of the few Nortelians that have a conscience and don't want to see it all go to hell on a handbasket….good luck man!

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