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		<title>By: Swing Trading</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/05/27/ciao-calgary/comment-page-1/#comment-27747</link>
		<dc:creator>Swing Trading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post. I have stumbled and twittered this for my friends. Hope others find it as interesting as I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post. I have stumbled and twittered this for my friends. Hope others find it as interesting as I did.</p>
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		<title>By: Nortel&#8217;s Shrinking Real Estate Empire</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/05/27/ciao-calgary/comment-page-1/#comment-2312</link>
		<dc:creator>Nortel&#8217;s Shrinking Real Estate Empire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nortel recently announced it will close a 59-acre campus in Calgary where it operates a 400-person R&amp;D facility, which was built in the 1990s for $300-million. Now, the company has sold a four-building, 74,300 square meter office facility in Montreal called St. Laurent Technoparc. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Nortel recently announced it will close a 59-acre campus in Calgary where it operates a 400-person R&#38;D facility, which was built in the 1990s for $300-million. Now, the company has sold a four-building, 74,300 square meter office facility in Montreal called St. Laurent Technoparc. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ex-nt</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/05/27/ciao-calgary/comment-page-1/#comment-4599</link>
		<dc:creator>ex-nt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Nortel, facilities get closed if there is no important ELT (read executive) present.  Calgary had no heavy hitter exec, so it&#039;s gone.  Other facilities are harder to close.  RTP has Madman Hackney, Ottawa has Blowhard Roese, Dallas has Lowe, Toronto has the Z-man (or is his home base Chicago?).  So what location could be next? Belleville, Santa Clara, Chateaufort - maybe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Nortel, facilities get closed if there is no important ELT (read executive) present.  Calgary had no heavy hitter exec, so it&#39;s gone.  Other facilities are harder to close.  RTP has Madman Hackney, Ottawa has Blowhard Roese, Dallas has Lowe, Toronto has the Z-man (or is his home base Chicago?).  So what location could be next? Belleville, Santa Clara, Chateaufort &#8211; maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: pudditane</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/05/27/ciao-calgary/comment-page-1/#comment-4600</link>
		<dc:creator>pudditane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 21:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Things change, nothing stays the same, life goes on, etc.. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The monumental waste of yore was basically &quot;monkey see, monkey do&quot; from the top down  - marble plaques made up for the &quot;winners&quot; of some  &quot;team builder, color-coordinated staplers and hole punches ordered, reams upon reams of  countless varieties of expensive printer papers and labels stashed everywhere, then left to gather dust when a printer&#039;s ink ran out, right next to slick Nortel ad glossies that went nowhere, every conceivable phone gizmo cluttering desks and workspace ,all to help things get finished..... Labs fared  no differently.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With every facility closure one might &quot;walk the mile&quot; of deserted cubicles and labs and behold the once fancy staplers and cables one more time, Indeed &quot;finished&quot;. Garbage, like the very &quot;trash&quot; it was all supposed to replace. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It never got easier for me to see it  go that way. It was kInda like a cancerous growth that  came back time and aagain.  Last time I stopped in to check out the old haunts  some old faces were gone, a few new ones come, slick new ad glossies were stacked about, but the cubes were empty, and, sure enough, ancient  papers remained stacked amongst obsolete cables, the halls now filled with outbound palettes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The new guys appeared to be guests from the outside and even abroad, learning the ropes, or cables, in order to apply them back home.  Transients. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Its sturdy and even considered new-fangled in some places but someday Nortels legacy equipment will inevitably go the way of the floppy drive</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things change, nothing stays the same, life goes on, etc.. </p>
<p>The monumental waste of yore was basically &#8220;monkey see, monkey do&#8221; from the top down  &#8211; marble plaques made up for the &#8220;winners&#8221; of some  &#8220;team builder, color-coordinated staplers and hole punches ordered, reams upon reams of  countless varieties of expensive printer papers and labels stashed everywhere, then left to gather dust when a printer&#39;s ink ran out, right next to slick Nortel ad glossies that went nowhere, every conceivable phone gizmo cluttering desks and workspace ,all to help things get finished&#8230;.. Labs fared  no differently.</p>
<p>With every facility closure one might &#8220;walk the mile&#8221; of deserted cubicles and labs and behold the once fancy staplers and cables one more time, Indeed &#8220;finished&#8221;. Garbage, like the very &#8220;trash&#8221; it was all supposed to replace. </p>
<p>It never got easier for me to see it  go that way. It was kInda like a cancerous growth that  came back time and aagain.  Last time I stopped in to check out the old haunts  some old faces were gone, a few new ones come, slick new ad glossies were stacked about, but the cubes were empty, and, sure enough, ancient  papers remained stacked amongst obsolete cables, the halls now filled with outbound palettes.</p>
<p>The new guys appeared to be guests from the outside and even abroad, learning the ropes, or cables, in order to apply them back home.  Transients. </p>
<p>Its sturdy and even considered new-fangled in some places but someday Nortels legacy equipment will inevitably go the way of the floppy drive</p>
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		<title>By: not there any more thankfully</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/05/27/ciao-calgary/comment-page-1/#comment-4601</link>
		<dc:creator>not there any more thankfully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 00:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you ever frequented a nice cosy restaurant, which after time, decides to expand - or even worse - goes franchise?  The quality starts to suffer, so business starts to dwindle.  Those every-so-often new menu creations stop coming.  Eventually you stop going because it just doesn&#039;t work for you.  The business starts shutting down and along the way the employees, especially those at the old locations, become very demoralised.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is very similar - what was once a cozy relationship, for the most part confined to Bell and on a smaller scale MTS, AGT, Sasktel, NBTEL - outgrew it&#039;s own succuss and the business decided to go global in a big way.  At some point Bell realized its majority ownership was impeding global success, so NT went &#039;on the market&#039; .  Global expansion happened, primarily in the US and Europe but with sales offices in every rinky dinky little country on the planet.  (Those same tiny sites usually bringing with them negative margin.)    Eventually quality and innovation started to drop, so old and new customers started to look elsewhere, and with shrinking budgets they started tightening the purse strings.  So NT had no choice but to reduce costs, which meant even less innovation and quality, which meant even less business - you get the picture.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Calgary presence, at one time a large manufacturing facility, was clearly established as a form of political payback when AGT was buying all those SP-1&#039;s and then later many more green and brown DMS thing-a-ma-jigs.  The volume of business that made investment in some of the Canadian locations no longer exists, so surprise look what gets chopped.  I don&#039;t think anything is certain anymore, even Ottawa.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Where to from here?  Is Nortel setting up shop in India or China or Turkey?  Not really - they are in all three countries, but primarily via outsourced partners or JV&#039;s - Wipro, Infosys, TCS, GDNT, NETAS.  I think Nortel took a look at a R&amp;D facility in India - but they couldn&#039;t afford the facility.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Who&#039;s in the kitchen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever frequented a nice cosy restaurant, which after time, decides to expand &#8211; or even worse &#8211; goes franchise?  The quality starts to suffer, so business starts to dwindle.  Those every-so-often new menu creations stop coming.  Eventually you stop going because it just doesn&#39;t work for you.  The business starts shutting down and along the way the employees, especially those at the old locations, become very demoralised.</p>
<p>This is very similar &#8211; what was once a cozy relationship, for the most part confined to Bell and on a smaller scale MTS, AGT, Sasktel, NBTEL &#8211; outgrew it&#39;s own succuss and the business decided to go global in a big way.  At some point Bell realized its majority ownership was impeding global success, so NT went &#39;on the market&#39; .  Global expansion happened, primarily in the US and Europe but with sales offices in every rinky dinky little country on the planet.  (Those same tiny sites usually bringing with them negative margin.)    Eventually quality and innovation started to drop, so old and new customers started to look elsewhere, and with shrinking budgets they started tightening the purse strings.  So NT had no choice but to reduce costs, which meant even less innovation and quality, which meant even less business &#8211; you get the picture.</p>
<p>The Calgary presence, at one time a large manufacturing facility, was clearly established as a form of political payback when AGT was buying all those SP-1&#39;s and then later many more green and brown DMS thing-a-ma-jigs.  The volume of business that made investment in some of the Canadian locations no longer exists, so surprise look what gets chopped.  I don&#39;t think anything is certain anymore, even Ottawa.</p>
<p>Where to from here?  Is Nortel setting up shop in India or China or Turkey?  Not really &#8211; they are in all three countries, but primarily via outsourced partners or JV&#39;s &#8211; Wipro, Infosys, TCS, GDNT, NETAS.  I think Nortel took a look at a R&#038;D facility in India &#8211; but they couldn&#39;t afford the facility.</p>
<p>Who&#39;s in the kitchen?</p>
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		<title>By: JustMe</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustMe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 21:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chop, chop, chop till you drop. Montreal&#039;s next. People go home or go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chop, chop, chop till you drop. Montreal&#39;s next. People go home or go away.</p>
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		<title>By: oneof30kleft</title>
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		<dc:creator>oneof30kleft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 20:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>out sourcing is the desired method of reducing costs, right?  lets out source the executive team to the cheapest country we can find.  that would mean less cost to them and that would mean a lower salary requirement from them.. or we could say, like i heard mant times,&#039;&#039;you are over paid for your area&#039;, so you get less pay...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>out sourcing is the desired method of reducing costs, right?  lets out source the executive team to the cheapest country we can find.  that would mean less cost to them and that would mean a lower salary requirement from them.. or we could say, like i heard mant times,&#39;&#39;you are over paid for your area&#39;, so you get less pay&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: zdasfg</title>
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		<dc:creator>zdasfg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 19:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CS,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I haven&#039;t a clue what you are trying to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CS,</p>
<p>I haven&#39;t a clue what you are trying to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Casual Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casual Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 00:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thread. Nortel still has a ways to go but they will get there one way or another. Remember, engineering is just one part of a company. I think Nortel&#039;s issue has not been designing good products, its been weak marketing and not building products with the right features and investing in the sales and marketing channels to exploit all the potential applications of a given product. I like the relationships with IBM and Microsoft because they will open channels that Nortel never had access to in their battle &quot;at the table&quot; with Cisco. Nortel is properly positioning itself from a cost structure standpoint, not to compete against the Cisco&#039;s of the world but the Huawei&#039;s of the future. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From a market standpoint, all competitors appear to be avoiding consolidation at all costs. I believe this may eventually change in 2008 and 2009. We live in interesting times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thread. Nortel still has a ways to go but they will get there one way or another. Remember, engineering is just one part of a company. I think Nortel&#39;s issue has not been designing good products, its been weak marketing and not building products with the right features and investing in the sales and marketing channels to exploit all the potential applications of a given product. I like the relationships with IBM and Microsoft because they will open channels that Nortel never had access to in their battle &#8220;at the table&#8221; with Cisco. Nortel is properly positioning itself from a cost structure standpoint, not to compete against the Cisco&#39;s of the world but the Huawei&#39;s of the future. </p>
<p>From a market standpoint, all competitors appear to be avoiding consolidation at all costs. I believe this may eventually change in 2008 and 2009. We live in interesting times.</p>
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		<title>By: NT employee</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/05/27/ciao-calgary/comment-page-1/#comment-4606</link>
		<dc:creator>NT employee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 22:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the closure of the Calgary plant does anyone have any idea what that means for the rest of the Canadian plants -- Specifically Montreal, which has seen significant downsizing over the past 8 years.  Anyone heard any rumors, truths?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the closure of the Calgary plant does anyone have any idea what that means for the rest of the Canadian plants &#8212; Specifically Montreal, which has seen significant downsizing over the past 8 years.  Anyone heard any rumors, truths?</p>
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