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		<title>By: nortelsuxs</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/02/29/what-do-you-think-nortel-employees/comment-page-1/#comment-31936</link>
		<dc:creator>nortelsuxs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why hasn&#039;t the worthless Mike Z and his GE cronies been fired yet? His five year plan has done nothing but further destroy Nortel. GE is also sinking fast and the sick sigma management style is doing nothing to keep it afloat, just like it is doing nothing for Nortel. Maybe the sick sigma black belts should turn into ninjas and take Mike Z out in the middle of the night. That at least would justify the expense of the sick sigma program at Nortel.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since Mike Z hasn&#039;t been fired, doesnt this mean that the board is also part of the grand scheme to fleece what is left of Nortel...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mike Z should have at least been fired for the content of the following article:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.billingworld.com/news/briefs/struggling-nortel-ceo-flew-high-with-jet.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.billingworld.com/news/briefs/struggl...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why hasn&#39;t the worthless Mike Z and his GE cronies been fired yet? His five year plan has done nothing but further destroy Nortel. GE is also sinking fast and the sick sigma management style is doing nothing to keep it afloat, just like it is doing nothing for Nortel. Maybe the sick sigma black belts should turn into ninjas and take Mike Z out in the middle of the night. That at least would justify the expense of the sick sigma program at Nortel.</p>
<p>Since Mike Z hasn&#39;t been fired, doesnt this mean that the board is also part of the grand scheme to fleece what is left of Nortel&#8230;</p>
<p>Mike Z should have at least been fired for the content of the following article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.billingworld.com/news/briefs/struggling-nortel-ceo-flew-high-with-jet.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.billingworld.com/news/briefs/struggl&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: nortelsuxs</title>
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		<dc:creator>nortelsuxs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why hasn&#039;t the worthless Mike Z and his GE cronies been fired yet? His five year plan has done nothing but further destroy Nortel. GE is also sinking fast and the sick sigma management style is doing nothing to keep it afloat, just like it is doing nothing for Nortel. Maybe the sick sigma black belts should turn into ninjas and take Mike Z out in the middle of the night. That at least would justify the expense of the sick sigma program at Nortel.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since Mike Z hasn&#039;t been fired, doesnt this mean that the board is also part of the grand scheme to fleece what is left of Nortel...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mike Z should have at least been fired for the content of the following article:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.billingworld.com/news/briefs/struggling-nortel-ceo-flew-high-with-jet.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.billingworld.com/news/briefs/struggl...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why hasn&#39;t the worthless Mike Z and his GE cronies been fired yet? His five year plan has done nothing but further destroy Nortel. GE is also sinking fast and the sick sigma management style is doing nothing to keep it afloat, just like it is doing nothing for Nortel. Maybe the sick sigma black belts should turn into ninjas and take Mike Z out in the middle of the night. That at least would justify the expense of the sick sigma program at Nortel.</p>
<p>Since Mike Z hasn&#39;t been fired, doesnt this mean that the board is also part of the grand scheme to fleece what is left of Nortel&#8230;</p>
<p>Mike Z should have at least been fired for the content of the following article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.billingworld.com/news/briefs/struggling-nortel-ceo-flew-high-with-jet.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.billingworld.com/news/briefs/struggl&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: SexyBeast</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/02/29/what-do-you-think-nortel-employees/comment-page-1/#comment-6306</link>
		<dc:creator>SexyBeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nortel is investing too heavily in Asia and are setting&lt;br&gt;themselves up for disaster.&lt;br&gt;The chinese will cheat, steal, copyright/patent infringe and pull the rug right from under them.&lt;br&gt;Z will leave the carpet and be airborne with such torque twist and force due to the sudden yank he could probably drill a hole in Beijing Bobs Skull. All at the expense&lt;br&gt;of the North American Employees.&lt;br&gt;I thought Nortel were building that huge R and D campus over there because the Chinese were buying nortel gear and signing contracts? Looks like all that dried up, but the building continues over there and the investment turns softer and softer. What a crock.&lt;br&gt;If Nortel want to make headway, fire the marketers they&lt;br&gt;have now and get some innovative commercials and advertising that feature COMEDY. You know laughter, the universal language.  They also need the Canadian Government to put some more pokers in their fire. After all isn&#039;t Nortel suppose to be Canadas Crown Jewel of Technology? The gov&#039;t treat it like a Crown Royal. And what good did John Manley ever do on the board?&lt;br&gt;Anybody?&lt;br&gt;I know one thing.&lt;br&gt;Nortels best prospects are definitely not in China, Mexico, India, Poland or God knows&lt;br&gt;where they&#039;ll be looking next...North Korea?&lt;br&gt;Outsourcing is a traitorous choice.&lt;br&gt;If they let got the right people in North America they have a chance.&lt;br&gt;Ditch the suits, the under achieving marketers, salespeople, admin, poor market&lt;br&gt;strategizers, managers that aren&#039;t managing their employees, a meaningful&lt;br&gt;project or something progressive,  and  the plethera of idiots that Z keeps promoting or hiring for dumb ass positions and programs like black belt, sigma six, ethics and all that other crap.&lt;br&gt;Nortel need an intellectual go getter home grown Canadian like Don Cherry with&lt;br&gt;the proper knowledge to succeed.&lt;br&gt;Maybe Canada should get out of NAFTA and Alberta and it&#039;s oilfields should&lt;br&gt;be the capital of Canada. Definitely not Ottawa or Toronto.&lt;br&gt;We&#039;ll see what happens..We&#039;ll see....&lt;br&gt;I disagree with the India/China Comment.&lt;br&gt;Outsourcing has shown to have the opposite effect of that which was desirous.&lt;br&gt;China is no longer a low cost center.&lt;br&gt;It has become too westernized and the average salary per engineer head between&lt;br&gt;the Two countries is NOW LESS than 2:1 and the gap is rapidly closing.&lt;br&gt;China has not shown they can make a profit for Nortel and in fact it is a losing&lt;br&gt;endeavour. Many Chinese leave nortel after basic training along with stealing &lt;br&gt;technology so they can go peddle their wares at Huaweii or other Chinese Companies.  The chinese can do manufacturing (so long as we are not&lt;br&gt;talking about anything too complex) but design, engineering and&lt;br&gt;even support is another story. They fail miserably at that. If nortel continue to invest&lt;br&gt;these skillsets in China and India and other cheap &lt;br&gt;markets that simply cannot turn over a profit the company will slip into oblivion.&lt;br&gt;Mexico and Poland (particularly the quality of workmanship from Mexico) will&lt;br&gt;have disastrous effects on the bottom line if Nortel cotinue their investment&lt;br&gt;in places like this.&lt;br&gt;Here is how Nortel Needs to Get Fixed:&lt;br&gt;A/ More subsidies from the Canadian government. The government talks how&lt;br&gt;important Nortel is To Canada.  They should put their money with their mouth&lt;br&gt;is rather than have John Manley walking around like he is doing Nortel a favour&lt;br&gt;which they deserve based on their history and contributions to the telco world.&lt;br&gt;Talk and suits (unless you are Don Cherry) are cheap.&lt;br&gt;B/ Massive re-org to cut the fact from JCI-4 positions and up.  Promote JCI 1, 2 and 3&lt;br&gt;to managerial positions if they want it and save a ton of money with better informed&lt;br&gt;more eager people who know how things really work at all levels.&lt;br&gt;B/ Immediate salary freeeze on anybody earning over 100k unless they have patents&lt;br&gt;in their name and are one of only a few who can do a particular job at Nortel.&lt;br&gt;Nortel have to start looking at how much people earn and what kind of job they are&lt;br&gt;doing. Administration salaries over 70k/year is ridiculous. SG&amp;A on the whole&lt;br&gt;over 70k is ridiculous.&lt;br&gt;C/ Instead of outsourcing to cheaper markets that don&#039;t deliver they need to clean up&lt;br&gt;their own house with respect to overinflated salaries paid.&lt;br&gt;The scientists, researchers, designers, engineers, support and people who&lt;br&gt;are hands on, doing the working, contributing to revenue and saving money by&lt;br&gt;doing more than the job they are paid for are the ones they have to keep and&lt;br&gt;compensate accordingly. If they make the right choices they can salvage the place.&lt;br&gt;But historically this just does not seem to happen.&lt;br&gt;Lean sigma six and black belt is a crock.&lt;br&gt;Let the young experience people who work on the floor and are directly responsible&lt;br&gt;for revenue come up with ideas they can be compensated for.&lt;br&gt;Overcompensating managers who should be gone with ridiculous programs like&lt;br&gt;this is a huge waste of resources and money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nortel is investing too heavily in Asia and are setting<br />themselves up for disaster.<br />The chinese will cheat, steal, copyright/patent infringe and pull the rug right from under them.<br />Z will leave the carpet and be airborne with such torque twist and force due to the sudden yank he could probably drill a hole in Beijing Bobs Skull. All at the expense<br />of the North American Employees.<br />I thought Nortel were building that huge R and D campus over there because the Chinese were buying nortel gear and signing contracts? Looks like all that dried up, but the building continues over there and the investment turns softer and softer. What a crock.<br />If Nortel want to make headway, fire the marketers they<br />have now and get some innovative commercials and advertising that feature COMEDY. You know laughter, the universal language.  They also need the Canadian Government to put some more pokers in their fire. After all isn&#39;t Nortel suppose to be Canadas Crown Jewel of Technology? The gov&#39;t treat it like a Crown Royal. And what good did John Manley ever do on the board?<br />Anybody?<br />I know one thing.<br />Nortels best prospects are definitely not in China, Mexico, India, Poland or God knows<br />where they&#39;ll be looking next&#8230;North Korea?<br />Outsourcing is a traitorous choice.<br />If they let got the right people in North America they have a chance.<br />Ditch the suits, the under achieving marketers, salespeople, admin, poor market<br />strategizers, managers that aren&#39;t managing their employees, a meaningful<br />project or something progressive,  and  the plethera of idiots that Z keeps promoting or hiring for dumb ass positions and programs like black belt, sigma six, ethics and all that other crap.<br />Nortel need an intellectual go getter home grown Canadian like Don Cherry with<br />the proper knowledge to succeed.<br />Maybe Canada should get out of NAFTA and Alberta and it&#39;s oilfields should<br />be the capital of Canada. Definitely not Ottawa or Toronto.<br />We&#39;ll see what happens..We&#39;ll see&#8230;.<br />I disagree with the India/China Comment.<br />Outsourcing has shown to have the opposite effect of that which was desirous.<br />China is no longer a low cost center.<br />It has become too westernized and the average salary per engineer head between<br />the Two countries is NOW LESS than 2:1 and the gap is rapidly closing.<br />China has not shown they can make a profit for Nortel and in fact it is a losing<br />endeavour. Many Chinese leave nortel after basic training along with stealing <br />technology so they can go peddle their wares at Huaweii or other Chinese Companies.  The chinese can do manufacturing (so long as we are not<br />talking about anything too complex) but design, engineering and<br />even support is another story. They fail miserably at that. If nortel continue to invest<br />these skillsets in China and India and other cheap <br />markets that simply cannot turn over a profit the company will slip into oblivion.<br />Mexico and Poland (particularly the quality of workmanship from Mexico) will<br />have disastrous effects on the bottom line if Nortel cotinue their investment<br />in places like this.<br />Here is how Nortel Needs to Get Fixed:<br />A/ More subsidies from the Canadian government. The government talks how<br />important Nortel is To Canada.  They should put their money with their mouth<br />is rather than have John Manley walking around like he is doing Nortel a favour<br />which they deserve based on their history and contributions to the telco world.<br />Talk and suits (unless you are Don Cherry) are cheap.<br />B/ Massive re-org to cut the fact from JCI-4 positions and up.  Promote JCI 1, 2 and 3<br />to managerial positions if they want it and save a ton of money with better informed<br />more eager people who know how things really work at all levels.<br />B/ Immediate salary freeeze on anybody earning over 100k unless they have patents<br />in their name and are one of only a few who can do a particular job at Nortel.<br />Nortel have to start looking at how much people earn and what kind of job they are<br />doing. Administration salaries over 70k/year is ridiculous. SG&#038;A on the whole<br />over 70k is ridiculous.<br />C/ Instead of outsourcing to cheaper markets that don&#39;t deliver they need to clean up<br />their own house with respect to overinflated salaries paid.<br />The scientists, researchers, designers, engineers, support and people who<br />are hands on, doing the working, contributing to revenue and saving money by<br />doing more than the job they are paid for are the ones they have to keep and<br />compensate accordingly. If they make the right choices they can salvage the place.<br />But historically this just does not seem to happen.<br />Lean sigma six and black belt is a crock.<br />Let the young experience people who work on the floor and are directly responsible<br />for revenue come up with ideas they can be compensated for.<br />Overcompensating managers who should be gone with ridiculous programs like<br />this is a huge waste of resources and money.</p>
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		<title>By: Friend</title>
		<link>http://www.allaboutnortel.com/2008/02/29/what-do-you-think-nortel-employees/comment-page-1/#comment-6307</link>
		<dc:creator>Friend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incompetance, gets rewwarded!!! Get rid of the first line managers, now!! They are a bunch of deadbeats!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incompetance, gets rewwarded!!! Get rid of the first line managers, now!! They are a bunch of deadbeats!!</p>
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		<title>By: observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>test</description>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nortel employees should post their opinions here as well...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jobvent.com/companyBrowse.php?CompanyID=6121&amp;searchType=company&amp;searchText=nortel&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.jobvent.com/companyBrowse.php?Compan...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nortel employees should post their opinions here as well&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jobvent.com/companyBrowse.php?CompanyID=6121&#038;searchType=company&#038;searchText=nortel" rel="nofollow">http://www.jobvent.com/companyBrowse.php?Compan&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sounds like the party is over and hope doesn&#039;t linger on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sounds like the party is over and hope doesn&#39;t linger on.</p>
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		<title>By: NOrtel</title>
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		<dc:creator>NOrtel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the popular word within the company is No for everything. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;it does not matter whether least effective or most effective. the lean six sigma ironically is to make the company leaner. so irrespective of how one performs there will be a layoff coming almost every quarter. each manager will to identify one person. even if there is a ton of least effectives somewhere else it does not matter.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;that is process a bunch of bean coutners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the popular word within the company is No for everything. </p>
<p>it does not matter whether least effective or most effective. the lean six sigma ironically is to make the company leaner. so irrespective of how one performs there will be a layoff coming almost every quarter. each manager will to identify one person. even if there is a ton of least effectives somewhere else it does not matter.</p>
<p>that is process a bunch of bean coutners.</p>
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		<title>By: nortel_emp</title>
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		<dc:creator>nortel_emp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m leaving Nortel for anther vendor. During more than 3 years working for Nortel in R&amp;D and now in Global Services, it&#039;s now really sad to say that &quot; It&#039;s enough for Nortel, I can not stand it any more... manager -&gt;bad, priorities process --&gt;suck... although I was commented with Most Effective but it&#039;s worth nothing. No career development, so future. Time up for Nortel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m leaving Nortel for anther vendor. During more than 3 years working for Nortel in R&#038;D and now in Global Services, it&#39;s now really sad to say that &#8221; It&#39;s enough for Nortel, I can not stand it any more&#8230; manager -&gt;bad, priorities process &#8211;&gt;suck&#8230; although I was commented with Most Effective but it&#39;s worth nothing. No career development, so future. Time up for Nortel</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 11:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw a comment below the least effectives have been fired and most effective (top guns) left doing the work.....well last year I saw 3 MEs go involuntary and 2 LEs kept, how is this possible you say?? simple....the LEs were in products where growth was&lt;br&gt;forecast, namely Wimax..the MEs were in Optical, and that oh so old fashioned CVoiP.&lt;br&gt;Guess what happened to those MEs? they got hired by Ericsson and Alcatel within 1 week on higher salaries than Nortel....thats the Nortel of today...mediocre and blinded by stats...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a comment below the least effectives have been fired and most effective (top guns) left doing the work&#8230;..well last year I saw 3 MEs go involuntary and 2 LEs kept, how is this possible you say?? simple&#8230;.the LEs were in products where growth was<br />forecast, namely Wimax..the MEs were in Optical, and that oh so old fashioned CVoiP.<br />Guess what happened to those MEs? they got hired by Ericsson and Alcatel within 1 week on higher salaries than Nortel&#8230;.thats the Nortel of today&#8230;mediocre and blinded by stats&#8230;</p>
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